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#301 SMantzas

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:14 PM

I don't know why he would compare Drury with Parise.

Pat Verbeek aged pretty well, by the way, and he took a ton of punishment in his career. He dished some out, too, though.

Now, I wouldn't exactly compare Verbeek and Parise as identical, except that they both never stopped moving their feet and they both were/are willing to pay the price to score goals. And I'd take either over Kovalchuk.

Kovalchuk's shot and passing wont diminish with age, but Parise's speed and agility will
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:34 PM

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:48 PM

while we are here whining about Kovalchuk not producing at 6.6m

if you look at all the players with a bigger or similar cap hit, some are having great season and other arent, since its kinda hard to gauge since some have less or more game, so i went with points % per game played

most of them have a better % than Kovy but they all have a bigger cap hit too, so there's 20 players with the same or higher cap hit than kovy... 10 of them have a better% while obviously 10 a similar, a have worst or a way worst %

Kovalchuk 6.6m / 76%
Ovechkin 9.5m / 77.2%
Staal 8.2m / 41.6%
Nash 7.8m / 77.2%
Lecavalier 7.7m / 77.2%
Heatley 7.5m / 59%
Gaborik 7.5m / 85%
Stamkos 7.5m / 109%
Gomez 7.3m / 30.7%
Vanek 7.1m / 113%
Spezza 7m/ 90.9%
Iginla 7m / 47%
Thornton 7m / 105%
Marleau 6.9m / 100%
Kopitar 6.8m / 104.3%
Koivu 6.7m / 59%
Datsyuk 6.7m / 86.3%
Backstrom 6.7m / 113.6%
Semin 6.7m / 47.6%
Richards 6.6m / 80%
Stastny 6.6m / 60.8%

also you have to remember that Kovy is perfect in the shootout 4/4 and we have a few wins because of it... of course there's also games we have lost because of him turning the puck over but... in term of production of course it could be better... but could also be way worst

edit: also Zach is at 54% at 6m...

Apropos of nothing, but that Gomez contract is just awesome.
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#304 Devilsfan118

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:30 PM

Don't read em, buckwheat.


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Sorry gramps, but I guess I love reading your nonsensical ranting too much. You're worse than Manta at this point; his argument (which I obviously don't agree with) at least has a point behind it. You just hate the guy for..the sake of hating him? :noclue:

Not healthy


Not to stoop to your hormonal emotional level but this has to be one of the most irrelevant statistics referenced.


How is shooting % an irrelevant statistic?

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:23 PM

Last year he played half the season under MacLean, in which NOONE did well under and Kovalchuk openly expressed relief when he was replaced. Those few months are the basis for your "30-goal, 70-point" argument, and if you're not willing to accept that, I can't help you.

And actually, I'm not going to give fans on this board more credit than that. Most people WERE expecting 100-point seasons. Worse still is that people were expecting him to suddenly become a different player than he was in Atlanta, especially in regards to the defensive game. I'll admit that I had some hopes like that also, but you need to have realistic expectations, and most people here simply don't.


Speaking for myself here:

I NEVER expected 100-point seasons for Kovalchuk. He's never had an 100-point season, and the Devils never had someone have a 100-point season in their history...not even back in the era when 7 teams or so per season would average 4.00+ goals per game.

Yes, I did expect/hope on some level that he would become better and smarter, re: the deficiencies in his game. Lemaire seemed to be making more strides than any coach ever could in that regard, but what I feared might happen has...without Lemaire around to constantly help him out, he is showing signs of regressing into the guy who doesn't score enough (here) to offset the stupidity that rears its head far too often.

I think part of Kovy's problem is that he's never had a real mentor, except for Lemaire, and Lemaire simply wasn't around for enough of Kovy's career to make a lasting impact on him.

And one link I see being made here too often is that criticizing Kovy makes one a Parise fanboy. I've said on multiple occasions that Zach needs to get it going too.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:42 PM

I think there's too much concern over Kovalchuk.. He'll be fine, just like Zach will be.. You also have remember that he's no longer on a team built around him so I fully expect his total goals to be lower in NJ than they were in ATL, and I think he will make up for it in assists and just generally drawing the D towards him to open up the ice for other guys..

Kovy needs a line with great passers to feed him the puck, and Zach needs a line with guys who can drive the net so he can do his magic in front.. Also needs guys who can get him so breakaways with nice passes.. I think Zajac fits really well with Kovy and I see Henrique developing into a great linemate for Zach
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:47 PM

The problem I see is that Kovy's stats need to be reversed. 4G 9A should be reversed to 9G 4A. He needs a decent RW and C to play with. Hopefully Zajac ends up on his line.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:47 PM

Its pretty simple... Kovy is not scoring much because he's not really trying too... Seriously

I dont think ive ever seen Kovy take a shot when he was carrying the puck on a 2 on 1... Or when there was a player around... Hes ALWAYS looking to pass.... In atlanta he was entering the zone with speed, cutting in the middle or splitting the defenders and getting a shot.... Hes not even trying to do that anymore.... Hes getting in the zone then stop and wait for a trailling player to pass

Plus now hes playing out of position so its not helping
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:50 PM

Its pretty simple... Kovy is not scoring much because he's not really trying too... Seriously

I dont think ive ever seen Kovy take a shot when he was carrying the puck on a 2 on 1... Or when there was a player around... Hes ALWAYS looking to pass.... In atlanta he was entering the zone with speed, cutting in the middle or splitting the defenders and getting a shot.... Hes not even trying to do that anymore.... Hes getting in the zone then stop and wait for a trailling player to pass

Plus now hes playing out of position so its not helping


The Devils are trying to be too cute. That's always been one of the problems with the power play. Instead of getting pucks on net they try to set up the perfect scroing opportunity. It needs to get down and dirty. The highlight reel goal is cool, but the garbage goal off the rebound is where it needs to be.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:57 PM

The Devils are trying to be too cute. That's always been one of the problems with the power play. Instead of getting pucks on net they try to set up the perfect scroing opportunity. It needs to get down and dirty. The highlight reel goal is cool, but the garbage goal off the rebound is where it needs to be.


Well im not talking about the powerplay im talking about their breakouts.... Before in atlanta kovy would rush with the puck and make it to the net for a shot.... Now hes not even thinking about doing it....

How many goals would kessel have now if he would be stopping with the puck when he get in the zone and wait... He got most of them going full speed to the net and snipping it... Like kovy use to do
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:03 PM

How is shooting % an irrelevant statistic?


Because I criticized Kovy's shooting percentage for this season, and the person responded by saying he has been better than Parise this season by giving me his career shooting percentage.

Its pretty simple... Kovy is not scoring much because he's not really trying too... Seriously

I dont think ive ever seen Kovy take a shot when he was carrying the puck on a 2 on 1... Or when there was a player around... Hes ALWAYS looking to pass.... In atlanta he was entering the zone with speed, cutting in the middle or splitting the defenders and getting a shot.... Hes not even trying to do that anymore.... Hes getting in the zone then stop and wait for a trailling player to pass

Plus now hes playing out of position so its not helping


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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:09 PM

Well im not talking about the powerplay im talking about their breakouts.... Before in atlanta kovy would rush with the puck and make it to the net for a shot.... Now hes not even thinking about doing it....

How many goals would kessel have now if he would be stopping with the puck when he get in the zone and wait... He got most of them going full speed to the net and snipping it... Like kovy use to do


From what I saw last season and what I've seen this season, Kovy tries to rush up the ice on his own. His linemates aren't joining him. He's pretty easy to neutralize when he tries to bring the puck into the offensive zone all by his lonesome.
A really competent Center would be able to help tremendously.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:29 PM

Sorry but kovalchuk statistic will be much better when he will play LW
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:38 PM

Anyone have a clip of Parise's goal at the end of the game? I cant find it anywhere on the highlights or anything.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:37 PM

Anyone have a clip of Parise's goal at the end of the game? I cant find it anywhere on the highlights or anything.


you can see it there

http://www.msg.com/o...ll-1126-1.77904

to me it wasnt a good goal... but if that wasnt a good goal so was a lot a goals scored the same way against us
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:52 PM

Kovy will be just fine.

But I agree, you'll see him stop along the half boards and try for a pass instead of just continuing to push forward and shoot the puck. I think he needs to do that more.

Of course we need people to go into the zone with him and go to the net for a rebound or get open for a pass. If he goes in alone and gets stoned, or loses the puck, everyone will bitch about him.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:17 AM

Its pretty simple... Kovy is not scoring much because he's not really trying too... Seriously

I dont think ive ever seen Kovy take a shot when he was carrying the puck on a 2 on 1... Or when there was a player around... Hes ALWAYS looking to pass.... In atlanta he was entering the zone with speed, cutting in the middle or splitting the defenders and getting a shot.... Hes not even trying to do that anymore.... Hes getting in the zone then stop and wait for a trailling player to pass

Plus now hes playing out of position so its not helping


okay now, all together: how many games did you watch of his in atlanta? because if you were seeing highlights of his, your perception is going to be completely distorted.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:43 AM

okay now, all together: how many games did you watch of his in atlanta? because if you were seeing highlights of his, your perception is going to be completely distorted.


well i've seen a bunch of their games really, i have gamecenter and watching lots of random games all the time so i have a good knowledge of other teams and players, not only when they play us...

one play they were making a lot (and actually still are in winnipeg) is the winger or center bringing the puck up along the board getting in the zone and cutting through the middle, dropping or back passing the puck behind to another forward following him, then the other guy get the puck cut in the middle and either take a shot or make a pass to the forward who rushed between defenders and going to the net for a rebound or a tip-in

thats what i remember about the thrashers the most... they were allllllllllways going for that play

edit: also you dont need to be a genius to know that Kovalchuk is scoring by SHOOTING the puck... last season he had his lowest SOG total and got his lowest production ever... it all goes together, he's a sniper he need to snipe! Zach always got his goals by working hard around the net... obviously if he would change his game he wouldnt be scoring as much

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 01:41 AM

1: kovalchuk was likely to have his lowest shooting total anyway because his power play time was so diminished relative to other seasons in his career. plus NJ in the 2nd half played very low event hockey, they were trying to limit the shots of their opponent more than they were going for shots themselves.

2: kovalchuk is shooting very close to his career rate, shots-wise.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 04:54 AM

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