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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:08 AM

4-4-1 in October
8-6-0 in November

Two decent months record-wise, even if they're a bit bloated by SO wins. And that's with Kovy and Parise not contributing all that much (for them).

Last night sucked, but overall things could be a lot worse.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:09 AM

Idk... I just personally would like to see some new guys get a try instead of the regular Pelley, Sestito, Janssen, Boulton and so on. Zalewski is playing well and Bernier is an NHL player that could help.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:19 AM

Adam Larsson and Andy Greene are tied for the lead with 8 points each.



Ah true my mistake, but Fayne does lead our defenseman with 3 goals.

Thing is, who do you replace Fayne with? Urbom had a chance last season and even he was bad enough to get sent down on an awful MacLean team.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:27 AM

Idk... I just personally would like to see some new guys get a try instead of the regular Pelley, Sestito, Janssen, Boulton and so on. Zalewski is playing well and Bernier is an NHL player that could help.


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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:36 AM

devils are their usual mediocre selves this time of the year, they have always been this way in the first half, we are just more scared about it since we didn't make the playoffs last year. we will get in to the playoffs like we always do when we are this mediocre.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:43 AM

This isn't the problem, nor is it close to the problem.


Well no sh*t. If you want to pinpoint the problem, Zajac needs to be 100% healthy and Lou needs to manage to trade for a puck moving defenseman without giving up any vital pieces. That's not going to happen exactly any time soon.

I am trying to figure out little things that can help the team in the long run. Tams are not successful unless their third and fourth lines can contribute offensively. Pens, Flyers, Hawks, Bruins, even Rangers are successful teams in the league that all have this quality. Janssen, Boulton, Pelley, and Sestito all have a good chance of going through the entire season with exactly ZERO goals combines. It's time to change things up! If you have a bottom half (3rd and 4th lines) that can contribute, it certainly takes pressure off the top two lines and adds a little challenge to the other team.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:47 AM

Ah true my mistake, but Fayne does lead our defenseman with 3 goals.

Thing is, who do you replace Fayne with? Urbom had a chance last season and even he was bad enough to get sent down on an awful MacLean team.


Not saying that he's going to come in and turn into a top pairing awesome defenseman right away... But I bet Fayne thinks he's got a solid roster spot no matter what he does. Greene has this kind of immunity as well. Fraser is not going to get us anywhere. Guys like Urbom, Taormina, Corrente, and even Gelinas need to give these guys a kick in the ass and let them know they are trying to take those jobs away from them.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:54 AM

Not saying that he's going to come in and turn into a top pairing awesome defenseman right away... But I bet Fayne thinks he's got a solid roster spot no matter what he does. Greene has this kind of immunity as well. Fraser is not going to get us anywhere. Guys like Urbom, Taormina, Corrente, and even Gelinas need to give these guys a kick in the ass and let them know they are trying to take those jobs away from them.


Except that they're not good enough yet to do that. Corrente probably never will be. Fayne is playing really well - he had a rough night, but that's going to happen.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:12 AM

Except that they're not good enough yet to do that. Corrente probably never will be. Fayne is playing really well - he had a rough night, but that's going to happen.


But my question is... why is it that someone like Fraser gets to replace Greene for a game when you know you will get no offensive output, barely acceptable defensive play, and no game changing qualities from Fraser when he steps on the ice. Give someone else a shot for once. That's the same problem I have with our fourth liners Boulton, Janssen, Pelley, and Sestito. You know you'll get no goals, a rare fight, and no positive offensive contribution. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A SHOT. Zharkov has 14 points in 82 games and is a +3.

Pelley is a -19 with with 26 points in 211 games.
Janssen is a -23 with 10 points in 280 games.
Sestito has 3 points in 50 games, no NHL goals, and is a career -8.

Bernier is only a -2 and in 385 games he has 159 points.

There is absolutely no way in hell that Pelley, Janssen and Sestito would get this much playing time on any other team in the league. It's embarrassing that Pelley is constantly put on waivers and no one wants him for free!

The Flyers have 10 forwards with at least 4 goals.
The Rangers have had 14 different forwards score goals for them this year.
The Sharks have had 13 different forwards score for them this year.
Hakws have 12.

Devils?

9 Forwards with goals. Boulton, Sestito, Janssen, Pelley, Mills, Tedeny= Zero Goals.

The coaching staff and Lou have to know by now that the Devils cannot win with these kinds of numbers. Why they recycle the same crappy fourth liners without giving anyone else is a chance is beyond me... Zalewski, Bernier, Vellieux, Zharkov, Anderson, Whitney, Sislo, Gelinas, and Darcy Zajac are all guys that are contributing at the AHL level and are being denied a chance to do what numerous wastes of space are doing on our NHL roster.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:19 AM

What??? we have no depth???
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:22 AM

No, we don't. Obviously we all know that but why guys like Pelley and Sestito have been in this organization for as long as they have and Lou thinks Janssen and Boulton are NHL caliber players is beyond me.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:31 AM

What??? we have no depth???


We don't have much of a soul or identity either.

No, we don't. Obviously we all know that but why guys like Pelley and Sestito have been in this organization for as long as they have and Lou thinks Janssen and Boulton are NHL caliber players is beyond me.


I agree with you on Pelley and Sestito especially. I see no reason to ever dress those guys.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:33 AM

But my question is... why is it that someone like Fraser gets to replace Greene for a game when you know you will get no offensive output, barely acceptable defensive play, and no game changing qualities from Fraser when he steps on the ice. Give someone else a shot for once. That's the same problem I have with our fourth liners Boulton, Janssen, Pelley, and Sestito. You know you'll get no goals, a rare fight, and no positive offensive contribution. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A SHOT. Zharkov has 14 points in 82 games and is a +3.


I agree with your above posts, but as far as Fraser goes, he was our best defenseman on the ice last night imo.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:35 AM

I agree with your above posts, but as far as Fraser goes, he was our best defenseman on the ice last night imo.


Which is very, very sad.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:44 AM

Fayne should have a roster spot, he was solid in the second half and okay this year, other than last night. Greene, well that ship sailed this off-season, we gotta live with his inconsistencies the next couple years. There's no reason Sal and Fraser have to be given immunity though.

As far as Bernier, the problem is we're really tight on the number of guys we can sign to NHL contracts right now. You have to be sure he can help before you use one of your two remaining slots on a guy who wasn't offered an NHL deal by 'anyone'.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:51 AM

If I'm Lou I start to look around the league for defensemen that other teams might not mid trading that would definitely help the Devils.

Anaheim- Luca Sbisa
Boston- Joe Corvo
Buffalo- Andrej Sekera
Colorado- Shane O'Brien
Minnesota- Marco Scandella
Islanders- Andrew MacDonald
St Louis- Kris Russell
Tampa Bay- Matt Gilroy
Winnipeg- Bogosian, Oduya


I think Lou could trade for most of these players without having to give something vital up.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:54 AM

As far as Bernier, the problem is we're really tight on the number of guys we can sign to NHL contracts right now. You have to be sure he can help before you use one of your two remaining slots on a guy who wasn't offered an NHL deal by 'anyone'.


Neither was Pelley or Sestito... If Janssen and Boulton were on waivers, it's obvious no one would pick them up even for half price... same with Fraser.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:56 AM

No, we don't. Obviously we all know that but why guys like Pelley and Sestito have been in this organization for as long as they have and Lou thinks Janssen and Boulton are NHL caliber players is beyond me.


I agree with almost all of your points, I gotta say whenever we have the 3rd or 4th line out there they both look so lost. Our 4th line is terrible. They contribute nothing offensively, and they sure as hell do not contribute any kind of spark when they're buried in our own zone repeatedly.

Our 3rd line isn't that good either. Tedenby really has not impressed in any way, shape, or form. Really don't care how fast he is, he just can't score. Clarkson has inevitably cooled off which I think is more a result of who he is playing with...

Would definitely like to see some line changes...
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:58 AM

I agree with almost all of your points, I gotta say whenever we have the 3rd or 4th line out there they both look so lost. Our 4th line is terrible. They contribute nothing offensively, and they sure as hell do not contribute any kind of spark when they're buried in our own zone repeatedly.

Our 3rd line isn't that good either. Tedenby really has not impressed in any way, shape, or form. Really don't care how fast he is, he just can't score. Clarkson has inevitably cooled off which I think is more a result of who he is playing with...

Would definitely like to see some line changes...


I really think Tedenby would excel being the right wing for Parise and Zajac. They are both very defensively responsible. Zajac is a pretty good set up man and is good along with boards as is Zach. Teddy would have a chance go score some goals with those two.
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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:59 AM

But my question is... why is it that someone like Fraser gets to replace Greene for a game when you know you will get no offensive output, barely acceptable defensive play, and no game changing qualities from Fraser when he steps on the ice. Give someone else a shot for once. That's the same problem I have with our fourth liners Boulton, Janssen, Pelley, and Sestito. You know you'll get no goals, a rare fight, and no positive offensive contribution. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A SHOT. Zharkov has 14 points in 82 games and is a +3.

Pelley is a -19 with with 26 points in 211 games.
Janssen is a -23 with 10 points in 280 games.
Sestito has 3 points in 50 games, no NHL goals, and is a career -8.

Bernier is only a -2 and in 385 games he has 159 points.

There is absolutely no way in hell that Pelley, Janssen and Sestito would get this much playing time on any other team in the league. It's embarrassing that Pelley is constantly put on waivers and no one wants him for free!

The Flyers have 10 forwards with at least 4 goals.
The Rangers have had 14 different forwards score goals for them this year.
The Sharks have had 13 different forwards score for them this year.
Hakws have 12.

Devils?

9 Forwards with goals. Boulton, Sestito, Janssen, Pelley, Mills, Tedeny= Zero Goals.

The coaching staff and Lou have to know by now that the Devils cannot win with these kinds of numbers. Why they recycle the same crappy fourth liners without giving anyone else is a chance is beyond me... Zalewski, Bernier, Vellieux, Zharkov, Anderson, Whitney, Sislo, Gelinas, and Darcy Zajac are all guys that are contributing at the AHL level and are being denied a chance to do what numerous wastes of space are doing on our NHL roster.


Again, while I would like for the fourth line to be better, this is deck chair re-arranging. The fourth line isn't going to win and lose games. In the margins, yes, it's embarrassing the kind of fourth line the Devils are icing this season. Right now it looks to me like the team will be between + or - 5 points of the final playoff spot, and deciding to give ice time to someone like Sestito and Janssen will cost you points in the long run.

But Zalewski? Anderson? Whitney, Bernier, and D. Zajac are on AHL deals, and they're on AHL deals for a reason. Even Veilleux would get slammed if he had been here in his prime.

Boulton is surprisingly not a bad NHL player. He's been largely an even player playing on horrendous teams - he's been on two playoff teams in his career.
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