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#41 njdevil26

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:52 AM

Haha my deer comment was worth an infraction with an explanation of

"Dude, really? Stay on topic."

Then I posted a picture during the finals. Remember those Bruin ads with the big bear and the rules of the game? Well after the Burrows biting incident there was a shopped pic that said "Burrows bites pillows too." I cracked up, posted it, then got an infraction right away for posting offensive material.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:54 AM

C'mon, this thread is about this board, we all know HF sucks and that there's no way this place will become like that place.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:54 AM

Yeah Saturday's GDT is what prompted me to make this thread. I stay off the boards right after a loss because I know I'll probably get into it with someone... so I went on this morning to say something about defense and trades and such and read the last two pages and just got very annoyed.


Andrew,

I would consider you a friend and i don't consider you an enemy. However, i STRONGLY disagree with how you've handled this. To start a thread like this is just asking for the flames to be fanned one more time and new issues/problems to arise.

If you are going to start a thread like this and give undertones about settling offline differences and in person face to face, then don't you think it's a cop out to create a thread like this and not come out and talk directly at those you have a problem with? You want to propose confrontation but avoid it yourself?

Being you're good friends with Colin, don't sweat it. Colin and i talked about a few things behind the scenes. Needless to say we don't agree on how we view things with this team/organization and probably shouldn't have let the fan emotions get the best. That happens on these boards after watching a bad team as much as we all do here. I consider it over and done not something to create a thread over and point fingers.

Second, the Troll Bros. You're smart enough to know what these clowns are about, who they have their grudge towards and how they dislike this community openly. How they have avoided suspension is beyond me. Also, I do not believe in the ignore feature because everyone should have a voice to be seen and heard even trolls. If someone wants to take a personal shot at me, my family or anything else i should be able to see it and reply/react in kind and then handle it from there. You are right. There are too many people here that do not have the fortitude to handle personal issues off of the board.

Speaking of that and suspension, devsman brought up a great point above. I was suspended from here at one time and so was devsman. Both unfairly when you consider the compatible actions of our "peers" on here. Devsman was suspended for the same thing i've seen done 100 times. It's even more puzzling when you consider adam and hurricane are doing the same exact things that i was suspended for doing (including carrying "grudges" and personal "insults"). Plus, here's the one that really annoys me, the first names. Remember, the big issue that was made out of the use of first names on my part? However, mine can be used freely deliberately (as i was accused of) by trolls like Adam, The same people who were screaming and kicking about first names are very silent, oddly enough. I guess it proves my point that it's not what you say, it's who you say it to and who protests about it.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:55 AM

The Asbury Park press is now requiring comments to be posted via Facebook.

Not fool proof, but since its less anonymous, it forces you to be a bit more civil

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:58 AM

C'mon, this thread is about this board, we all know HF sucks and that there's no way this place will become like that place.


Point is, people are going to complain about the mods whether they're too light or heavy-handed. It's up to the individual user for the most part whether it's too passive or hands on for their taste.
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#46 njdevil26

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:00 AM

Andrew,

I would consider you a friend and i don't consider you an enemy. However, i STRONGLY disagree with how you've handled this. To start a thread like this is just asking for the flames to be fanned one more time and new issues/problems to arise.

If you are going to start a thread like this and give undertones about settling offline differences and in person face to face, then don't you think it's a cop out to create a thread like this and not come out and talk directly at those you have a problem with? You want to propose confrontation but avoid it yourself?

So, let's cut the crap. Being you're close friends with Colin, don't sweat it. Colin and i talked about a few things behind the scenes. Needless to say we don't agree on how we view things with this team/organization and probably shouldn't have let the fan emotions get the best which always happens on these boards after watching a bad team. I consider it over and done not something to create a thread over and point fingers.

Second, the Troll Bros. You're smart enough to know what these clowns are about, who they have their grudge towards and how they dislike this community openly. How they have avoided suspension is beyond me. Also, I do not believe in the ignore feature because everyone should have a voice to be seen and heard even trolls. If someone wants to take a personal shot at me, my family or anything else i should be able to see it and reply/react in kind and then handle it from there. You are right. There are too many people here that do not have the fortitude to handle personal issues off of the board.

Speaking of that and suspension, devsman brought up a great point above. I was suspended from here at one time and so was devsman. Both unfairly when you consider the compatible actions of our "peers" on here. Devsman was suspended for the same thing i've seen done 100 times. It's even more puzzling when you consider adam and hurricane are doing the same exact things that i was suspended for doing (including carrying "grudges" and personal "insults"). Plus, here's the one that really annoys me, the first names. Remember, the big issue that was made out of the use of first names on my part? However, mine can be used freely deliberately (as i was accused of) by trolls like Adam, The same people who were screaming and kicking about first names are very silent, oddly enough. I guess it "proves my point that it's not what you say, it's who you say it to and who protests".


Ken.... come on man. This is exactly what I'm talking about! I didn't say in my post that I have a problem with ANYONE at all.

Yeah Colin was mad at what had transpired between you two but not once did I mention either of you or your conversation. Colin is a very good friend of mine... but did you notice how I stayed out of it completely because it had nothing to do with me?

You're the only one in here that has a problem with this idea and in turn you're doing exactly what we were trying to avoid. You're naming names, instances, and problems!

I consider you a friend as well. But this thread is not about who did what and who is good or bad. I please urge you to stay away from that type of talk. This was just meant to bring the issue to light that there is a lot of BS going on and hopefully there's a way to clean it up without pointing fingers and creating more issues. It would give people the chance to re-think their actions and change things without having to be directly called out. While you question my motives and tell me this isn't a thread I should have made. You are the only one that has a problem with it.

Edited by njdevil26, 12 December 2011 - 11:02 AM.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:00 AM

The amount of bitching, complaining, and fighting on this message board is unbelievable.

Why don't you all carve out a time and place to meet and settle your differences in person? Half of you wouldn't show up and the other half would be trembling at the thought of a real life confrontation. I have been here for at least six years now... and I've gotten in a few arguments with some of you and it sure doesn't make me feel awesome for the rest of the day that I told off someone on the internet.

I'm not one-upping the mods here. God knows they all have real jobs and are too busy to police this place 24/7... but for the last few days, I've logged on here looking for some hockey discussion to get involved in. Instead, I find the same people fighting in almost every thread. People that think they have the right to judge other people's comments and opinions, people that are ALWAYS right, and other people who can't hold a conversation like a normal human being without flexing their internet muscles.

Either this is going to stop or I'm leaving. Not that I expect anyone to give a crap, but this place has turned into a garbage dump of jerk-offs. I've met some real nice people here (sadly, they don't come here any more for this very reason). Hell, I even met my girlfriend on here and we've been together for almost three years. This place USED to be a great place to visit up until lately.

I'm not mentioning any names or user names but you should know who you are. Stop ruining this community.

Thanks.

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HOW ABOUT YOU SHUT THE DUCK UP!
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:03 AM

HOW ABOUT YOU SHUT THE DUCK UP!


Dude I will set your mustache on fire.
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#49 aylbert

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:03 AM

Unfortuantely we want people to be respectful and orderly, but allowed to go on rants, call each other, etc... while being self-policed (not over censored, power hungry mods). That takes a level of maturity and familiarlity that isn't sustainable.

It may just be a life cycle issue... I remember enjoying my time on here better from when I joined in '02 through the duration of the lockout. Since then, there were some nasty fights, a protectionist movement (where anyone new was basically shunned), then a period where we were babying new posters - which caused a rift between those trying to be accepting and others basically saying new posters should just read and not be heard... then more recently - this bitter nastiness that has stainded almost every forum (even in the once tight-nit fantasy forums).

Ultimately though... maybe we just need to win another cup. The spirit of the forum has been sh!t pretty much as the Devils have played. Which is somewhat understandable, but shouldn't be accepted.


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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:03 AM

C'mon, this thread is about this board, we all know HF sucks and that there's no way this place will become like that place.


And this is why I prefer this place. Instead of Mods throwing censorship and infractions around all willy nilly, you get fellow members calling you out and keeping threads on track. If you're mature, you move on. If you're ignore-worthy, it turns into name-calling and nannynannypoopoo nonsense. And speaking of back on track ...

Ignore feature FTW.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:06 AM

Unfortuantely we want people to be respectful and orderly, but allowed to go on rants, call each other, etc... while being self-policed (not over censored, power hungry mods). That takes a level of maturity and familiarlity that isn't sustainable.

It may just be a life cycle issue... I remember enjoying my time on here better from when I joined in '02 through the duration of the lockout. Since then, there were some nasty fights, a protectionist movement (where anyone new was basically shunned), then a period where we were babying new posters - which caused a rift between those trying to be accepting and others basically saying new posters should just read and not be heard... then more recently - this bitter nastiness that has stainded almost every forum (even in the once tight-nit fantasy forums).

Ultimately though... maybe we just need to win another cup. The spirit of the forum has been sh!t pretty much as the Devils have played. Which is somewhat understandable, but shouldn't be accepted.



LOL Winning a cup will help for a few months... until the following October when we get spanked by the Flyers in the home opener. Then the tampons will fly again!

And this is why I prefer this place. Instead of Mods throwing censorship and infractions around all willy nilly, you get fellow members calling you out and keeping threads on track. If you're mature, you move on. If you're ignore-worthy, it turns into name-calling and nannynannypoopoo nonsense. And speaking of back on track ...

Ignore feature FTW.


Maybe implement a new rule where if you must insult someone, do it in OLD OLD English!

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Edited by njdevil26, 12 December 2011 - 11:11 AM.

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#52 Vic Rattlehead18

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:13 AM

I think anything non-hockey related shouldn't even be on this side of the board
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:14 AM

My first few years at this place I was the resident hot-head who could always be counted on for an argument. Now I'll argue, but some of the posters I see take it to ridiculous levels.

I got in a fight with njdevil26 a few years ago. I called him some things I shouldn't have, we took it to PM and worked it out. He's now one of the very few members I enjoy reading. He told me then, and I'll say it now, it's a lot easier saying cruel things to "njdevil26" than it is to "Andrew". People don't realize that the insults you're happily chipping away on your keyboard get sent to actual human beings.

There are a few 'new' members on here that I've put on ignore, because I read the site daily and absolutely cannot stand to see their names pop up because of how borderline idiotic they are. That being said, the ignore feature isn't enough.

If the only reason you come on this board is to puff your chest, tell everyone they're dumb for liking the Devils, and quickly sound off on a person before you switch to pornography and world of warcraft, you should get a quick boot.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:17 AM

LOL Winning a cup will help for a few months... until the following October when we get spanked by the Flyers in the home opener. Then the tampons will fly again!

Don't get me wrong... you'll see mood swings no matter what.

But the overall sentiment on the board for the past few years has been reflective of the Devs play. A once great thing, sinking into the abyss... where we question everything from Ownership, Brodeur/Lou, Parise, Kovy, our role players, prospects, etc... you can sub whatever poster you thinks represents each... but we are very much in this flux... I don't know the traffic numbers, but the traffic seems to be increased... but the quality of posts and comradery is suffering.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:18 AM

Ken.... come on man. This is exactly what I'm talking about! I didn't say in my post that I have a problem with ANYONE at all.


That's like me starting a thread saying "i am tired of the people talking about game worn jerseys as an insult and being spiteful and jealous" without naming names. However, anyone reading it knows exactly who i am talking about.

Yeah Colin was mad at what had transpired between you two but not once did I mention either of you or your conversation. Colin is a very good friend of mine... but did you notice how I stayed out of it completely because it had nothing to do with me?


As you should have, no need to explain :noclue:

You're the only one in here that has a problem with this idea and in turn you're doing exactly what we were trying to avoid. You're naming names, instances, and problems.

I consider you a friend as well. But this thread is not about who did what and who is good or bad. I please urge you to stay away from that type of talk. This was just meant to bring the issue to light that there is a lot of BS going on and hopefully there's a way to clean it up without pointing fingers and creating more issues. It would give people the chance to re-think their actions and change things without having to be directly called out. While you question my motives and tell me this isn't a thread I should have made. You are the only one that has a problem with it.


I have a BIG problem with people doing the same things i was suspended, reprimanded and called out for.....yet are allowed to do the very same thing on a daily basis.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:23 AM

That's like me starting a thread saying "i am tired of the people talking about game worn jerseys as an insult and being spiteful and jealous" without naming names. However, anyone reading it knows exactly who i am talking about.



As you should have :noclue: And if you needed to, my PM is open.



Andrew, i have a problem with people doing the same things i was suspended, reprimanded and called out for.....yet are allowed to do the very same thing on a daily basis.


Ken, I don't think I even said anything specific in the initial post because I didn't want anyone to make connections like that.

Also, I know you're very approachable and I would have PMed you but I felt like it wasn't my business.

Thirdly, I forget why you were even suspended... I don't think I knew that it happened. But if you feel like you got punished for something that others are guilty of then you should definitely take it up with the owners and mods of this site. Provide some comparables and maybe it would help them keep an eye out.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:24 AM

He told me then, and I'll say it now, it's a lot easier saying cruel things to "njdevil26" than it is to "Andrew". People don't realize that the insults you're happily chipping away on your keyboard get sent to actual human beings.


I never could understand how people don't realize this... maybe it's because I grew up on BBS's (from age 6 through about 12/13)... and later IRC and forums like this. But just as I want people to treat me, and call me out on my bs/flawed logic, I do to others... always with respect, even when I get heated.

Then again, I never felt the need to be a 'big shot' on an internet forum being an athlete (then [wrestling] and now [mma]), I've always had a proper outlet to let out frustrations.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:24 AM

My first few years at this place I was the resident hot-head who could always be counted on for an argument. Now I'll argue, but some of the posters I see take it to ridiculous levels.

I got in a fight with njdevil26 a few years ago. I called him some things I shouldn't have, we took it to PM and worked it out. He's now one of the very few members I enjoy reading. He told me then, and I'll say it now, it's a lot easier saying cruel things to "njdevil26" than it is to "Andrew". People don't realize that the insults you're happily chipping away on your keyboard get sent to actual human beings.

There are a few 'new' members on here that I've put on ignore, because I read the site daily and absolutely cannot stand to see their names pop up because of how borderline idiotic they are. That being said, the ignore feature isn't enough.

If the only reason you come on this board is to puff your chest, tell everyone they're dumb for liking the Devils, and quickly sound off on a person before you switch to pornography and world of warcraft, you should get a quick boot.


You certainly were a hot head haha. Someone would create a new thread and you would always have the first post saying "No one cares! You're stupid!"

I'm glad we went through on here what we went through because it helped me realize you're a good dude and one of the long term posters on here that make this place the great site that it is.

These noobs need a smack.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:26 AM

If you have an issue with the mods unknown poster, then take it up with them in PM's. I'm still not sure they've actually seen the nonsense in the other thread yet.

It's hard to be one of only two mods on a site that grows daily. I'm kinda glad I'm not one at this point, cause it gives me the option of ignoring people, walking away or letting it roll off my back but the mods sort of have to.

And a lot of people who 'just' post do care about the site, look at how quickly the donation quota always gets reached. Wanting the site to be better isn't about vendettas.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:28 AM

njdevil26 didn't have to name names because bad posters who consistently get reactions bring the entire board down, regardless of who they're fighting with or what their fight is about. The goal here isn't to find the problems - that's the moderator's responsibility. It's to discuss how everyone can tolerate one another better even if problem posters who refuse to be civil are thrown out.

Edited by Triumph, 12 December 2011 - 11:33 AM.

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