It probably seems like trolling because you guys trying to blow me away with your crappy stats in an attempt to force me to change my mind (I know that this thread isn't targeted at me specifically, but you should understand what I mean here) is transparent and unconvincing. It's bringing about a defensive reaction in me... which is probably my own fault. Since I'm an engineer, and I rely on statistics for a living, I'm probably putting too much of my personal thinking into my reactions towards reading some of these replies.
Anyway, I thought about (and am still sorta thinking about it) putting together a video, but... it's a lot of work, and despite my replies here I really don't care if most of you guys share my opinion of Fayne, so... meh.
I didn't mention one statistic in my response to what you said. I don't think anyone here is trying to attack you personally either. As you mentioned, we're all Devil's fans here, but you seem to be the one who's being a bit hostile because the rest of everyone posting in here agrees with the team's coaching staff in believing that Fayne and Tallinder are our #1 & #2 best d-men on the team.
Yea, because stats with correlation coefficients hovering between +/- 10%, along with counter-hearsay about him being the Devils' "most consistent defensmen" (I'm still waiting to find out what the heck that's supposed to mean...) are so convincing.
But whatever. I'm done. You guys just keep on thinking what you want, doesn't matter to me.
You complain about other people using "useless" stats and then you throw up some coefficient bs. You wanna know why everyone knows Fayne is our most consistent d-man? It's because he gets played against the other team's top line, every night, he gets 20+ mins, every night, his +/-(which can be misleading as you said, but is generally a good indicator of play) is only one worse than Tallinder's, yet he's played 6 more games, with Salvador being the only other d-man better than that and Salvador, with the exception of the past couple weeks, had def not been facing the other team's top lines, it was more like 3rd & 4th lines until Tallinder and Greene went down with injuries.
I think my point is that your complaining about everyone in this thread using "crappy" stats to back up their "crappy" arguments, but you haven't done anything of importance to prove your argument to be any better than all of the Fayne believer's. So basically you've told all of us to put our money where our mouth is, which at least I have, yet you have failed to do so yourself.
I do believe I mentioned how you should be quite sure that the Devils have much more serious issues beyond Fayne being an "awful" d-man, since if the coaching staff is so sure of it's decision to continue to play Fayne against other team's top lines, in all important situations through the entire 60 mins of each game. So I'd love to hear how you think the Devils will manage to place anywhere besides 15th in the Conference with a coaching staff so incompetent that it can't even tell that the defenseman that they believe is worthy of being on the top pairing, if not being the best d-man on the team, is really the worst defenseman on the team, is a liability in all 3 zones and in fact deserves to sent down to the AHL since he's just THAT bad.
If you truly believe that what I just said is actually the reality of Mark Fayne and not that he's played far above almost everyone's expectations from the moment he was called up last season until now and that while he probably wouldn't make the top pairing on a team with a top notch d-corps, he would still be a more than solid 2nd pairing d-man and if he continues to progress as he has been, while he most likely won't every becomes a superstar defenseman, will most likely an extremely solid, far above average 2nd pairing d-man for the rest of his career with NJ. I must mention that I only cap him at the 2nd pairing because we have a superstar in the making in Adam Larsson, who, barrring a disaster of some sort, will become the clear #1 defenseman on this team for years to come and because of that Fayne, will be relegated to the 2nd defensive pairing for the fact that he is also Right Handed and for that fact ALONE.
I imagine that if Fayne continues to develop the way he has, he will more than likely be a supremely positionally solid d-man, who is also mobile and has enough of an offensive touch to put up 20-30 points each season over his entire career with NJ.
There is my argument as to why I believe Mark Fayne is a good and consistent defenseman for this team right now and that he will be that and more for this team in the future.