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#41 ATLL765

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:12 AM

I think Marty's numbers have been a bit deceptive this year. Not to say he's been way better than the stats show, but even in the games where he played great, i.e. Buffalo, his save% was still around .850-900. So if we had played a bit better in that game and a couple others, his save% might be right around .900-905, instead of what it is now.

I hope that he stays around for one last year and lets everyone know that it'll be his last year. That way we can all cherish our last moments with him and give him the farewell that he deserves. We also don't really have any other prospects for a full time goalie for next year anyways, so if he stays on for about half the price he's paid now, I don't see how that hurts us even if his play isn't all that great.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:41 AM

This would be a nice last year if people would freaking lighten up and let him enjoy the year. All of this "He's really just no good..." "I love Marty BUT..." I dislike the word "but" when used like that SOO MUCH!

If you loved the guy just stop bashing him feeling the need to just state the truth according to yourself. This is his last year and I dont understand why everyone has to qualify your fondness just because he's still playing. Fans do not have to keep the pressure on him. He's just not that bad for one thing. and he's going to retire -- he gets it... why does everyone have get that last word in? Why throw in the criticism?

Hmehhh -- Oooohhhhhhh what the hell... it is a message board and if you all just have to state the obvious and throw in a word here and there just to make absolutely sure Marty gets it, despite an entire article saying he does - go for it. Don't know why I'm getting all bent out of shape about it :giggle:
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 11:22 AM

This would be a nice last year if people would freaking lighten up and let him enjoy the year. All of this "He's really just no good..." "I love Marty BUT..." I dislike the word "but" when used like that SOO MUCH!

If you loved the guy just stop bashing him feeling the need to just state the truth according to yourself. This is his last year and I dont understand why everyone has to qualify your fondness just because he's still playing. Fans do not have to keep the pressure on him. He's just not that bad for one thing. and he's going to retire -- he gets it... why does everyone have get that last word in? Why throw in the criticism?

Hmehhh -- Oooohhhhhhh what the hell... it is a message board and if you all just have to state the obvious and throw in a word here and there just to make absolutely sure Marty gets it, despite an entire article saying he does - go for it. Don't know why I'm getting all bent out of shape about it :giggle:


Let him enjoy the year at what cost? We all want to see him go out on his terms, and playing reasonably well doing it. Who wouldn't? But at the same time, the Devils, though playing better lately, look like a team that will have to fight and claw to get into the playoffs. This could very well be Parise's last season here. These guys are trying to win hockey games...they're not here to be fodder for a diminished great's victory tour. I can't say for sure whether Marty's fallen as far as his numbers would indicate, and I don't want to believe that he has.

I understand people "qualifying their fondness", because no one (save for a select few) wants to come off like they don't appreciate everything he's done since he's been here, or to sound too "What have you done for me lately?" when they discuss the stark reality of where Marty is.

Marty's numbers are bad (at least right now). And the Devils don't have much margin for error. I'm not criticizing Marty, as this sample pales in volume to what's come before it...we all know how old he is, how many games he's played, so I'm not going to hold him to the standard set by younger versions of him. It's more just not wanting to see a season get away from the Devils when it looks like the talent level may be taking a big hit with the potential loss of Parise.
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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 12:25 PM

That's all well and good and I guess I'm just giving Brodeur too much credit - to me it sounded an awful lot like he was saying he'll ride the pine and enjoy this season but he's not delusional and he wont over stay his welcome.

OK as I wrote fine you all want to holler "YOU ALREADY HAVE FATASS!" because you know not only does he suck but he's so fat from all that pizza right? Just keeping us all rooted in reality :blink: So - go for it that's what the message board is for, He's a grown up he can just not read, right?

Just every posts ended up sounded like "Yeaahhhh! You BETTER leave.... " "Says YOU Mister" Like IMO unnecessary little after thoughts making CERTAIN he'll get his ass out, you know? The article wasn't boasting how he's the energizer bunny after all.

Edited by Pepperkorn, 20 December 2011 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 11:30 PM

I'm taking this season as my last opportunity to see Marty in net for the Devils.. He was the key piece to the success of this franchise.. Marty is a once in a lifetime athlete being that he's considered by the best goalie of all time and sadly that career is ending soon..
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:49 AM

I'm taking this season as my last opportunity to see Marty in net for the Devils.. He was the key piece to the success of this franchise.. Marty is a once in a lifetime athlete being that he's considered by the best goalie of all time and sadly that career is ending soon..


I hear you and agree. I just don't ever want it to get ugly for him...I don't want to ever feel sad watching him play. An .885 save% is ugly. It's sad that there's already a contingent of Devils fans who don't appreciate him, and his struggles seem to have that group all the more fired up. I know that it's very difficult for an athlete to leave at the top or very top of his game, but when you look at Marty's career, it's clear that his level of play is probably as low as it's ever been. And it may not get better. He's earned a few more chances simply because of who he is, and he'll get them, but it can't be an unlimited amount...like I've said, the Devils are trying to stay in a playoff race, and though Hedberg's nowhere near the goalie that Marty's been for his career, Hedberg deserves the opportunity to start the majority of these games.
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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:38 AM

There are two positions in sports where it's impossible to 'let a guy go gracefully', and that's goaltender and quarterback. We've watched guys like Daneyko go from playing 20 minutes a night to being a healthy scratch, in some time we'll hopefully be watching Elias go from being on the #1 PP to being a checking line center who scores 40 points a season. In baseball, the Yankees let Bernie Williams be a designated hitter even though he certainly wasn't a good enough hitter to justify that. But goalie's too important - having a guy out there who can't stop 90% of the shots he faces seriously jeopardizes the Devils' playoff chances.

Edited by Triumph, 21 December 2011 - 11:42 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:04 PM

And even a starter can be made into a relieve in baseball. Marty is really hurting us right now.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:05 PM

And even a starter can be made into a relieve in baseball. Marty is really hurting us right now.


I dont understand in this day and age of the NHL where the teams are very even except for a few really good and a few really bad teams, and points are so critical to get a playoff position, that Pete Debo doesnt use Moose more, we have a better chance of winning with the Moose in net.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:11 PM

And even a starter can be made into a relieve in baseball. Marty is really hurting us right now.


That's very rare though, at least among the elite pitchers. John Smoltz and Dennis Eckersley were two examples but Smoltz physically couldn't start anymore and Eckersley was a so-so starter who would have been out of the league entirely if LaRussa didn't more or less invent the closer role for him.

I think people yelling at him to get out after the season are more or less assuming he'll put himself above the team (a la Brett Favre) which is totally unfair. The reason he won a couple of his Vezinas at $5.2 million a year is because he wanted the team to have more cap space to sign other players. That's also the reason he's struggling now at $5.2 million per instead of $7 million per. I don't believe he'll pull a Brett Favre and go out kicking and screaming. If he does, you can yell at him then if you want. But to assume he'll do that...you guys really put more of an ego on Marty than he has.

Yes when he was one of the best or the best he wanted to play just about every game - which somehow becomes an evil around here - but he didn't say a word last year when Lemaire played Hedberg over him and I don't think he'll say a word if PDB eventually plays Moose over him this year, assuming their play continues on their current levels. There is a difference between Lemaire (a HOF'er and a guy on his last year anyway) and PDB doing it though.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 21 December 2011 - 07:15 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:05 PM

this is the new NHL, im all for starting marty, it would be retarded not to...we need to score more than 3 hah



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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:08 PM

In all honesty what the hell are we going to do for a goalie? Marty has very little left in the tank and Hedberg is old. Our defense is a shell of it's former self. I like the offensive direction we're trying to go but in all honesty we don't really score that much, we have been lately but last nights 1 goal performance seems to be a repeat occurrence this year.

We're so spoiled because we had someone like Brodeur. I just wish we started looking at goalies 5-7 years ago instead of signing someone like Kovalchuck I guess. Defense wins championships.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:14 AM

In all honesty what the hell are we going to do for a goalie? Marty has very little left in the tank and Hedberg is old. Our defense is a shell of it's former self. I like the offensive direction we're trying to go but in all honesty we don't really score that much, we have been lately but last nights 1 goal performance seems to be a repeat occurrence this year.

We're so spoiled because we had someone like Brodeur. I just wish we started looking at goalies 5-7 years ago instead of signing someone like Kovalchuck I guess. Defense wins championships.


You need to forward this question to Lou.....I hope he has a plan for the very near future and long term future of this team. He tends to do things under the gun the last few seasons which cost us a lot of money for players coming in that arent as talented as the players leaving.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:36 AM

In all honesty what the hell are we going to do for a goalie? Marty has very little left in the tank and Hedberg is old. Our defense is a shell of it's former self. I like the offensive direction we're trying to go but in all honesty we don't really score that much, we have been lately but last nights 1 goal performance seems to be a repeat occurrence this year.

We're so spoiled because we had someone like Brodeur. I just wish we started looking at goalies 5-7 years ago instead of signing someone like Kovalchuck I guess. Defense wins championships.


At season's end, we'll have no goalies under contract with the big club. Here's the 2012 class of goalie UFAs. Take your pick.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:41 AM

At season's end, we'll have no goalies under contract with the big club. Here's the 2012 class of goalie UFAs. Take your pick.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:56 AM

We don't need a long term soluton in net, and I'd also say that I'd be very wary of going out and signing a goalie to big money long term. Josh Harding would be a interesting look. He's young, coming off bad knees, but he's having a good year - will look to maybe start somewhere else. Bet we could get him for 3 years 3-4M. Harding and his knee issues should hold out, one would think, for another couple years until he hits his 30s.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:56 PM

Jesus fvcking christ !!! Brodeur is starting friday!!!

Whyyyyy !?!? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !?!?!!!!?!!!!!!!!

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:59 PM

Why is Marty starting on Friday is a good question.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:04 PM

When it starts costing DeBoer a few more games he will get the picture. Brodeur has been lucky enough to get wins out of some of his bad starts.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:47 PM

I guess Kovi will be at the point on the PP as well
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