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#1 msweet

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:15 PM

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Hard to believe, but Patrik Elias has been a full-time member of the New Jersey Devils for almost 15 years now.In that time frame he's won two Stanley Cups, played in nearly 1,000 NHL games and recorded nearly 350 goals, 500 assists and 850 points.

He's also New Jersey's all-time franchise scoring leader, including its formative years in Kansas City and Colorado, and at age 35 isn't exactly finished just yet.




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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:16 PM

Hes been one of the most consistent players I feel. He brings 110% to the ice each game and is always calm and collected. Glad he is with the Devils.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

Easily one of my favorites ever. I think we're all kinda lucky and might take him for granted... Will we ever see as gifted an offensive talent who is also so disciplined defensively again? Also, it's easy to forget all the time he missed with his illness. He's been so consistent for years, and is a Devil through and through.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:29 PM

well - considering that he's going to be the first forward to get his # retired here, i'd say he sits with the greats pretty well. stevens and marty are 1 and 2 but neidermayer and elias duke it out for 3 and 4. daneyko is #5.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:40 PM

Def top 5 or 6 all-time at the moment.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:21 PM

well - considering that he's going to be the first forward to get his # retired here, i'd say he sits with the greats pretty well. stevens and marty are 1 and 2 but neidermayer and elias duke it out for 3 and 4. daneyko is #5.


I agree with this 100%
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:23 PM

1. Stevens
2. Brodeur
3. Elias
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:30 PM

1. Stevens
2. Brodeur
3. Elias


1. Brodeur
1A. Stevens
2. Elias

Edited by GoArmySports, 22 December 2011 - 01:30 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

1. Brodeur
1A. Stevens
2. Elias


meh...can't argue with that either
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

I think he's the 3rd greatest Devil to date and will be the last of the retired jerseys for a while (assuming Brodeur goes up before him)... I made a list of my top 20; but to be honest, just kinda rattled them off and rearranged quickly so I am sure I may have missed someone or will question my order a bit later. For one, I'm not sure if I put Burke or Terreri in the top 20... if they do, obviously near the bottom. Parise will rise up the more he is here.

To be honest I wouldn't have included Daneyko on the retired jersey list... he would have made an excellent ring of honor, etc.

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Scott Stevens
3) Patrik Elias
4) Scott Niedermayer
5) Ken Daneyko

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6) John MacLean
7) Bruce Driver
8) Bobby Holik
9) Zach Parise
10) John Madden
11) Scott Gomez -only as a Devil, obviously.
12) Sergei Brylin
13) Jay Pandolfo
14) Randy McKay
15) Brian Rafalski
16) Kirk Muller
17) Tommy Albelin
18) Jamie Langenbrunner
19) Travis Zajac
20) Aaoron Broten

Edited by aylbert, 22 December 2011 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:43 PM

Elias is one of the most under-rated Devils of all time (along with Pat Verbeek - my favorite player growing up). When taking all things into consideration, including pure skill, career achievements, and the player's impact upon this franchise's history, my top 5 would be:

1. Brodeur
2. Stevens
3. Niedermayer
4. Elias
5. Daneyko

For Stevens and Brodeur, I can make an argument either way as to who should be # 1. Stevens solidified and legitimized the franchise unlike any other player, but Brodeur was the piece that put them over the top. It's no coincidence that his gaining the starting job in 1994 was the beginning of the Devils dynasty (1994-2004). For me, he's # 1, with Elias a respectable #4. He definitely deserves to have his number in the rafters one day.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:47 PM

I think he's the 3rd greatest Devil to date and will be the last of the retired jerseys for a while (assuming Brodeur goes up before him)... I made a list of my top 20; but to be honest, just kinda rattled them off and rearranged quickly so I am sure I may have missed someone or will question my order a bit later. For one, I'm not sure if I put Burke or Terreri in the top 20... if they do, obviously near the bottom. Parise will rise up the more he is here.

To be honest I wouldn't have included Daneyko on the retired jersey list... he would have made an excellent ring of honor, etc.

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Scott Stevens
3) Patrik Elias
4) Scott Niedermayer
5) Ken Daneyko

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6) John MacLean
7) Bruce Driver
8) Bobby Holik
9) Zach Parise
10) John Madden
11) Scott Gomez -only as a Devil, obviously.
12) Sergei Brylin
13) Jay Pandolfo
14) Randy McKay
15) Brian Rafalski
16) Kirk Muller
17) Tommy Albelin
18) Jamie Langenbrunner
19) Travis Zajac
20) Aaoron Broten


i think muller might be a tad low. i agree that i think burke and/or terreri belong on the list - certainly before albelin. its conceivable verbeek should be on this list but its still pretty comprehensive. obviously, kovalchuk will get on there eventually and make his way up. i think pando and broten get moved down/out.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:14 PM

I have him at number 4 behind Marty Stevens and Kovy, LOL
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:15 PM

It's too hard to "rank" players because they all played such a vital role and were all unique in terms of contribution and impact. That's why it is difficult to "rank" Stevens, Brodeur and Niedermayer, Elias, Daneyko, et al. Best bet is to just leave it as they all relied on one another as a team to be great as that was the Devils way.

Here's my choices for the immediate future. It doesn't have to be all about stats, Cups and names but impact each individual had in the organization.

RETRIED NUMBERS:

Patrik Elias, Martin Brodeur.

RING OF HONOR:

(Automatics): Sergei Brylin, John Maclean, Kirk Muller, Claude Lemieux.

(Debatables): Randy McKay, Bobby Holik, John Madden, Mel Bridgman, Jay Pandolfo, Bruce Driver, Chico Resch, Stephane Richer, Patrik Sundstrom, Chris Terreri, Pat Verbeek, Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Slava Fetisov, Aaron Broten

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

RETRIED NUMBERS:

Patrik Elias, Martin Brodeur.

RING OF HONOR:

(Automatics): Sergei Brylin, John Maclean, Kirk Muller, Claude Lemieux.

(Debatables): Randy McKay, Bobby Holik, John Madden, Mel Bridgman, Jay Pandolfo, Bruce Driver, Chico Resch, Stephane Richer, Patrik Sundstrom, Chris Terreri, Pat Verbeek, Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Slava Fetisov, Aaron Broten


I agree pretty much 100% with this. I'd love the Devils to finally have some sort of ring of honor.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:57 PM

It's too hard to "rank" players because they all played such a vital role and were all unique in terms of contribution and impact. That's why it is difficult to "rank" Stevens, Brodeur and Niedermayer, Elias, Daneyko, et al. Best bet is to just leave it as they all relied on one another as a team to be great as that was the Devils way.

Here's my choices for the immediate future. It doesn't have to be all about stats, Cups and names but impact each individual had in the organization.

RETRIED NUMBERS:

Patrik Elias, Martin Brodeur.

RING OF HONOR:

(Automatics): Sergei Brylin, John Maclean, Kirk Muller, Claude Lemieux.

(Debatables): Randy McKay, Bobby Holik, John Madden, Mel Bridgman, Jay Pandolfo, Bruce Driver, Chico Resch, Stephane Richer, Patrik Sundstrom, Chris Terreri, Pat Verbeek, Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Slava Fetisov, Aaron Broten


I agree with this with the addition of Zajac and Gionta to the Debatable list. I also felt that Nieds should have been on that list. I feel like retiring his number was more of a "Quick! Lets retire someone....uhhh Scott! He just retired anyway!" move.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:58 PM

John Madden and Jay Pandolfo are definites for ring of honor, but that's just because I like them so much.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:49 PM

I think he's the 3rd greatest Devil to date and will be the last of the retired jerseys for a while (assuming Brodeur goes up before him)... I made a list of my top 20; but to be honest, just kinda rattled them off and rearranged quickly so I am sure I may have missed someone or will question my order a bit later. For one, I'm not sure if I put Burke or Terreri in the top 20... if they do, obviously near the bottom. Parise will rise up the more he is here.

To be honest I wouldn't have included Daneyko on the retired jersey list... he would have made an excellent ring of honor, etc.

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Scott Stevens
3) Patrik Elias
4) Scott Niedermayer
5) Ken Daneyko

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6) John MacLean
7) Bruce Driver
8) Bobby Holik
9) Zach Parise
10) John Madden
11) Scott Gomez -only as a Devil, obviously.
12) Sergei Brylin
13) Jay Pandolfo
14) Randy McKay
15) Brian Rafalski
16) Kirk Muller
17) Tommy Albelin
18) Jamie Langenbrunner
19) Travis Zajac
20) Aaoron Broten



Out of curiosity...is Lemieux an oversight, or is he intentionally off your list?


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:55 PM

well - considering that he's going to be the first forward to get his # retired here, i'd say he sits with the greats pretty well. stevens and marty are 1 and 2 but neidermayer and elias duke it out for 3 and 4. daneyko is #5.


I agree with this. He is easily the forward this franchise has ever had. I would vote #3

Edited by MantaRay, 22 December 2011 - 03:58 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:58 PM

It's too hard to "rank" players because they all played such a vital role and were all unique in terms of contribution and impact. That's why it is difficult to "rank" Stevens, Brodeur and Niedermayer, Elias, Daneyko, et al. Best bet is to just leave it as they all relied on one another as a team to be great as that was the Devils way.

Here's my choices for the immediate future. It doesn't have to be all about stats, Cups and names but impact each individual had in the organization.

RETRIED NUMBERS:

Patrik Elias, Martin Brodeur.

RING OF HONOR:

(Automatics): Sergei Brylin, John Maclean, Kirk Muller, Claude Lemieux.

(Debatables): Randy McKay, Bobby Holik, John Madden, Mel Bridgman, Jay Pandolfo, Bruce Driver, Chico Resch, Stephane Richer, Patrik Sundstrom, Chris Terreri, Pat Verbeek, Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Slava Fetisov, Aaron Broten


Mel Bridgemen???? Don Lever before him and honorable mention to John Weinsink
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