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#21 Ollie McKraut

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:16 PM

Elias is the best ever.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:30 PM

Mel Bridgemen???? Don Lever before him and honorable mention to John Weinsink


Bridgman was a leader and vet influnce who bought a winning attitude and respect on some awful 80's teams. He was the team's first "true" captain and was a terrific mentor to young players like Muller (who would succeed him as captain) as well as Verbeek, Broten and Maclean.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:33 PM

Out of curiosity...is Lemieux an oversight, or is he intentionally off your list?


Verbeek was on the edge for me... Lemieux was left off on purpose only because of his length of tenure. I know him as a Devil, but I don't really see him as a protypical Devil. Also, he spent so much time with the Habs, Avs and Yotes that he doesn't really have a single team own him.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:45 PM

Can't believe you're leaving this guy out:


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 05:55 PM

well - considering that he's going to be the first forward to get his # retired here, i'd say he sits with the greats pretty well. stevens and marty are 1 and 2 but neidermayer and elias duke it out for 3 and 4. daneyko is #5.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:00 PM

Brodeur 1. Stevens 2. Elias 3.

When I was younger I would have said Ritcher and Lemuiex though ! !!
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:03 PM

I think he's the 3rd greatest Devil to date and will be the last of the retired jerseys for a while (assuming Brodeur goes up before him)... I made a list of my top 20; but to be honest, just kinda rattled them off and rearranged quickly so I am sure I may have missed someone or will question my order a bit later. For one, I'm not sure if I put Burke or Terreri in the top 20... if they do, obviously near the bottom. Parise will rise up the more he is here.

To be honest I wouldn't have included Daneyko on the retired jersey list... he would have made an excellent ring of honor, etc.

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Scott Stevens
3) Patrik Elias
4) Scott Niedermayer
5) Ken Daneyko

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6) John MacLean
7) Bruce Driver
8) Bobby Holik
9) Zach Parise
10) John Madden
11) Scott Gomez -only as a Devil, obviously.
12) Sergei Brylin
13) Jay Pandolfo
14) Randy McKay
15) Brian Rafalski
16) Kirk Muller
17) Tommy Albelin
18) Jamie Langenbrunner
19) Travis Zajac
20) Aaoron Broten



Awesome list. I thought it was Neil Broten? Why am I confused right now..but seriously awesome name drops. Love the Albelin drop too.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:17 PM

I don't see Colin White on your list, Aylbert.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:59 PM

I think he's the 3rd greatest Devil to date and will be the last of the retired jerseys for a while (assuming Brodeur goes up before him)... I made a list of my top 20; but to be honest, just kinda rattled them off and rearranged quickly so I am sure I may have missed someone or will question my order a bit later. For one, I'm not sure if I put Burke or Terreri in the top 20... if they do, obviously near the bottom. Parise will rise up the more he is here.

To be honest I wouldn't have included Daneyko on the retired jersey list... he would have made an excellent ring of honor, etc.

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Scott Stevens
3) Patrik Elias
4) Scott Niedermayer
5) Ken Daneyko

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6) John MacLean
7) Bruce Driver
8) Bobby Holik
9) Zach Parise
10) John Madden
11) Scott Gomez -only as a Devil, obviously.
12) Sergei Brylin
13) Jay Pandolfo
14) Randy McKay
15) Brian Rafalski
16) Kirk Muller
17) Tommy Albelin
18) Jamie Langenbrunner
19) Travis Zajac
20) Aaoron Broten


Like many others have said, awesome list. The only exception I would take is with the placement of Scott Gomez. I can't put this guy anywhere near the top 20 or the "ring of honor" that was also being discussed. I realize the guy played 7-8 years here, about 3-4 of which as the first line center but what sacrifice did the guy ever make for the organization? He went for every last dollar in arbitration and then bolted as soon as he had the chance. Plenty of other guys on the list left the organization for a variety of reasons but when I saw what the Rangers signed Gomez for, I was just happy it wasn't us. I didn't think he was worth what he was awarded in arbitration let alone $7 million.

It might just be me but when I think back to those long playoff runs from 2000-2003, I have very few recollections of Scott Gomez providing important points (maybe the first two rounds of 2001?). He was a pretty good player who just happened to spend several years here.

I was going to say he belongs right next to Zajac for his career so far but now that I'm looking at your post again you have him at 18, so I guess my point is that Gomez needs to be moved down a bit.

As for the original OP, I put Elias at #3 behind only Stevens and Brodeur.

Edited by Lateralous, 22 December 2011 - 07:02 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:07 PM

colin white should replace gomez. he gave up his eyesight for this club
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:22 PM

colin white should replace gomez. he gave up his eyesight for this club



Not sure if this is a sarcastic response to my post but I actually would put Colin White ahead of Gomez, especially if we're are talking about a ring of honor as some have mentioned. I would rather see guys like Brylin, White and Pandolfo recognized for doing everything within their power to help this club win than guys like Gomez and Guerin who were obviously better players. Sure, Gomez had 10X more skill but White gave everything he had to this organization for 10+ years and basically only left because his services were no longer needed.

Edit: Nevermind, I see that you we're pushing for Colin White previously.

Edited by Lateralous, 22 December 2011 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:28 PM

Verbeek was on the edge for me... Lemieux was left off on purpose only because of his length of tenure. I know him as a Devil, but I don't really see him as a protypical Devil. Also, he spent so much time with the Habs, Avs and Yotes that he doesn't really have a single team own him.

Claude may not have had a very long tenure but his impact and importance to this franchise is top 20 probably top 10 !!!!! It might not have been the devils way but it was claudes way and it was fun
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:29 PM

Nah, I'm totally serious. Either that list wasn't thought through or Colin White's contributions to the Devils aren't considered important enough.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:51 PM

1) Scott Stevens
2) Martin Brodeur
3) Patrik Elias
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:54 PM

By the time he's done, he'll be number two to Brodeur. One team and high level of play puts him there. He doesn't pass Marty because he doesn't have the first cup.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:27 PM

By the time he's done, he'll be number two to Brodeur. One team and high level of play puts him there. He doesn't pass Marty because he doesn't have the first cup.


That's a bit much. I'd say the Stevens Marty debate is legit for number 1. No way Patty beats either of them. I love him, and I have no trouble putting him ahead of Nieds, but Stevens was a once in a lifetime player.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:42 PM

That's a bit much. I'd say the Stevens Marty debate is legit for number 1. No way Patty beats either of them. I love him, and I have no trouble putting him ahead of Nieds, but Stevens was a once in a lifetime player.

How is there no way? Obviously Stevens is a legit choice but its debatable who the greatest is. Elias only played with us and sacrificed a career of offensive prowess to play a two-way well rounded game and win with the Devils. He also totally defines the Devils in his humility and greatness. He has done things out there on the ice that Ovechkin or Crosby could never do...I've seen him do it many times...and he never needed to dance across the ice like a moron or to have the favoritism and publicity from the league. He just shuts up and plays to win. He has led this team for years and has been a good player every year of his career. Best of all he has always respected the fans. His talent is amazing and his ability to read the ice is unheard of.

When this team lost all its top players, Elias stayed when he could have ran...he didn't run. And he put the team above himself when that idiot sutter took his "C". He has been a constant throughout and stuck with it to be our all time scoring leader. If Elias reaches 1000 points it will be a miraculous accomplishment given his constantly changing linemates and the defense he has had to play.




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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:54 PM

Stevens is definitely #1. If it wasn't for his leadership we wouldn't have 3 cups.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:38 PM

Nah, I'm totally serious. Either that list wasn't thought through or Colin White's contributions to the Devils aren't considered important enough.


I actually mulled that choice too... Colin White was my favorite player, and he's the only jersey I own.
I can't put my finger on what he is lacking... but I could place him anywhere from like 17 through 30... I want to say somewhere around 25.

Also, I think also didn't want to have as much 2000 era bias.... although our core then was ridiculously talented.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:45 PM

... but what sacrifice did the guy ever make for the organization? He went for every last dollar in arbitration and then bolted as soon as he had the chance. Plenty of other guys on the list left the organization for a variety of reasons but when I saw what the Rangers signed Gomez for, I was just happy it wasn't us. I didn't think he was worth what he was awarded in arbitration let alone $7 million.

I was going to say he belongs right next to Zajac for his career so far but now that I'm looking at your post again you have him at 18, so I guess my point is that Gomez needs to be moved down a bit.

I can definitely see your point for Gomez.... but if your going to start going after people with money grabs and arbitration grudges... you have to knock Holik down too with his bidding war with the Rangers...
Gomez was important part of the two cup runs. He won the Calder his rookie year putting up 70pts... and we used him on a lot of different lines. He was one of the few players who could really move the puck for us, and watching games in the 2000 era, he just sticks out. Maybe I have him to high, but I defintely have him on the top 20. He was the anti-Devil, Devil... We clashed a lot; but we did a lot together.
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