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#121 Colin226

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:14 AM

They're in the Fire & Ice bars stuffing thier faces. That's the problem. The people who are supposed to sit in the seats, don't. The renovated MSG is going through the same thing now. You'll see seats empty when they should have bodies in them.


Flyers' club seats are actually the back few rows of the lower level, so they don't have this problem, but I guess it's weird to buy a club seat and be so far back from the action :noclue:
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#122 DevsMan84

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:16 AM

http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/nhl_average_attendance_since_1989_90/118-2008-09


check out this link. look at the devils attendance from 94-95 to 98-99. they won 2 cups since then and attendance has gone down. please explain that one. 17,321 in 97-98 was 7th in the league!!!!!


I'm talking about since the lockout.

If you want to dig up 14 and 15 year old stats in a different era of the devils and nhl to prove some kind of point be my guest, but it doesn't pertain to anything here.

Also that stat from that one year has been questioned before as it was it was a sudden spike that disappeared after one season.
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#123 Beezer34

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:53 AM


4 of our last 5 have been sellouts. Not-to-mention an average of 16,000 over the last 10 home games.
..this thread is a joke.

Games between Christmas and new years always sell well due to people being off from work and school.

Also add in a caps game with ovechkin, a rags game that always sell well and niedermayer night I think the last 10 games are more the exception than the norm. To me the only stat that is important is the average over the entire season.


..and yet, turnabout's fairplay. :glare:
If you're telling me that the last 10 games shouldn't be focused on, because they're circumstantial.. (Niedermayer, Ovechkin, Rangers, whatever) ..why can't I say the same regarding the overall average being lower, based on a piss poor month of October??

10 games ago, brings you to November 9th, 2011.. essentially 2 entire months of the season. (Nov. & Dec.) Our average throughout the month of October (which only had 4 home games, I might add) was a pathetic 14,000, with two back-to-back home games amassing 12,000 each.
If it's the fact that you feel the Devils should be averaging over 16,000 for the overall season.. well that's a problem that nearly half the league is facing Jack! Currently, there are 12 hockey teams in the NHL with an overall average of under 17,000.. ranging anywhere from 14,500+ to 16,500+

Furthermore.. the last 10 games may indeed include Rangers, Pittsburgh, and Washington type samples.. but they also included the Islanders, Columbus, and the Buffalo Sabres.. who neither have anyone of marketable value on their team.. but they're not competitive! (ranked 12th in the Conference)
10 games isn't a small sampling either. In an arena that holds 17,000+ ..having an average of 16,000 throughout a 2 month stretch, should be applauded for this organization.


The NEW YORK RANGERS are ranked 15th in the league in attendance!!! And that's fvcking NEW YORK! Why should I expect anything more from a 29 year old hockey franchise, in the tri-state area?!

15th but filling the place at 99.9%, can't do much better than that.


Yeah..
..and God willing, maybe in another 56 years, we'll have the same foothold foundation where we can say the same thing.

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..dude, you have no fvcking idea how DONE I am with these threads. It's like people just want to complain about something.
When attendance is poor.. the fanbase gets sh!t. THEN.. when the attendance starts to pick up, the fanbase still gets sh!t, because of the ratio of fans in attendance.. and NOW, we're not even going to focus on the last few games where DEVILS fans are in the god damn arena, because it's Christmas break and/or Niedermayer night?! Get real. Posted Image

Edited by Beezer34, 02 January 2012 - 01:11 AM.

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#124 pattyelias

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 08:01 AM

I'm talking about since the lockout.

If you want to dig up 14 and 15 year old stats in a different era of the devils and nhl to prove some kind of point be my guest, but it doesn't pertain to anything here.

Also that stat from that one year has been questioned before as it was it was a sudden spike that disappeared after one season.


my only point is that the fans are out there. the question is how to get them in the seats. a team that hasn't made it past the first round of the playoffs in over 5 years coupled with soaring ticket prices and a sagging economy certainly hasn't helped.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 08:06 AM

http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/nhl_average_attendance_since_1989_90/118-2008-09


check out this link. look at the devils attendance from 94-95 to 98-99. they won 2 cups since then and attendance has gone down. please explain that one. 17,321 in 97-98 was 7th in the league!!!!!


I can explain the 97-98 number. It was our lone full season with Gilmour and was the last season before they really jacked up ticket prices from family friendly to corporate friendly. Not that Gilmour did much here but he had a huge effect on ticket sales. His first game here had a walk up of 1200 people. The box office was a madhouse that night.

That link is actually pretty fascinating when you really look at the numbers, especially in markets where they say have the best and most rabid fan bases. Look at Minnesota, who has pretty much sold out every game for the last decade and see them averaging 7800 one year and not breaking 14,000 before they moved. The "always" sold out Rangers with 15,000 in 90-91, and I'm sure their average fan could actually afford tickets back then. Quebec was barely drawing more than we were in the early 90s. Winnipeg drew less in the 90s than the Thrashers in the 2000s yet they're back in Winnipeg. Even the Habs drew almost 3000 less than their capacity one season. I realize those teams probably had several bad years in a row to sink to those low numbers but it still kind of takes the wind out of their sails as far as their legend goes.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 08:18 AM

I can explain the 97-98 number. It was our lone full season with Gilmour and was the last season before they really jacked up ticket prices from family friendly to corporate friendly. Not that Gilmour did much here but he had a huge effect on ticket sales. His first game here had a walk up of 1200 people. The box office was a madhouse that night.

That link is actually pretty fascinating when you really look at the numbers, especially in markets where they say have the best and most rabid fan bases. Look at Minnesota, who has pretty much sold out every game for the last decade and see them averaging 7800 one year and not breaking 14,000 before they moved. The "always" sold out Rangers with 15,000 in 90-91, and I'm sure their average fan could actually afford tickets back then. Quebec was barely drawing more than we were in the early 90s. Winnipeg drew less in the 90s than the Thrashers in the 2000s yet they're back in Winnipeg. Even the Habs drew almost 3000 less than their capacity one season. I realize those teams probably had several bad years in a row to sink to those low numbers but it still kind of takes the wind out of their sails as far as their legend goes.


The Devils were well over 16,000 from 94-95 to 98-99. Gilmour may have been the reason for the spike over 17,000 but the attendance was pretty good back then.

Back in those days my family has an 18 game weekend plan. I remember pretty much all the Friday, Saturday and Sunday games were sold out or close no matter who the oppenent. The weekday games always drew terribly unless they were playing the Rangers, Flyers or Penguins.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:59 PM

I can explain the 97-98 number. It was our lone full season with Gilmour and was the last season before they really jacked up ticket prices from family friendly to corporate friendly. Not that Gilmour did much here but he had a huge effect on ticket sales. His first game here had a walk up of 1200 people. The box office was a madhouse that night.


I remember the buzz when we got Killer. The fanbase has always been more tuned in whenever we get a big name, (Nieuwendyk, Mogilny, etc) but the reaction from Gilmour was BIG. I sometimes wonder if such interest would remain as high, in this day and age.

..if tomorrow the Devils acquire Jarome Iginla, would there be a 1,200 walk up?

Edited by Beezer34, 02 January 2012 - 11:01 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 11:04 PM

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#129 Colin226

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:50 PM

Fact of the matter is that this fan base is still too young to come out in droves all season long, but we are close.. The Devils had such an overwhelming turnout from college night against the Caps (sold it out) that hey offered it again for the Buffalo game (which also sold out).. The core of the fan base is still in high school and college, but with a competitive team on the ice in 5 years I can see us at 90% or more for the season

Just have to be patient.. Dee fans either came from Ranger families or became Rags fans after 1994 when they were cup champs and we were a team about to move elsewhere..

These past few games have had huge turnouts and the crowd has been on the you get side (16-30).. Give it time and we will have a very good, consistent attendance
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 08:48 PM

I went to every game while I was home and loved every second of it. Okay, maybe not the rout by Boston but still.

I want a shore command center in NY next year. It's in Staten Island. I would be all over season tickets. For sure.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:51 PM

I went to every game while I was home and loved every second of it. Okay, maybe not the rout by Boston but still.

I want a shore command center in NY next year. It's in Staten Island. I would be all over season tickets. For sure.


What is a "shore command center" and how does said command center bring the team any money/ROI? (especially given that you say it's in New York).. Just curious as to what you mean
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#132 Steven M.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:00 PM

What is a "shore command center" and how does said command center bring the team any money/ROI? (especially given that you say it's in New York).. Just curious as to what you mean


I'm sorry for not putting enough information. I'm in the CG and stationed in Florida. I was home on leave for the holidays. Next year I transfer and I am hoping to get that station. As for why NY, there are no command centers in Jersey unfortunately. Just Philly and NY. And the specific job I have does not allow me to go to any of the small boat stations along the Jersey shore. The only place in Jersey I could ever go to is the Air Station in Atlantic City or the two large ships in Cape May. Both of which I would not be opposed to, but for my career specifically I'd rather go to what I originally stated. Plus it's closer to the Rock and is just as close to Toms River as far as seeing my family and stuff.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:35 PM

At least you have the Statin Island option. I was stuck with Pensacola and Norfolk. :P
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:23 AM

At least you have the Statin Island option. I was stuck with Pensacola and Norfolk. :P



Norfolk is such an icky place. I do like Chesapeake though. I was there for a week-long school. At least they have Wawa there, lol.

I am not fond of Staten Island, lol, but the proximity to the Rock / Home would make it awesome for me. I hope it is available. Philly would be cool too. I could live in Jersey either way.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:13 AM

Statin Island get's a lot of crap, but... well, I've never personally lived there, but I've had friends who have, and it's a lot like Jersey from what I hear.
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