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#41 SterioDesign

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:30 PM

its just pissing me off to hear "We will do everything we can to have him be here."

i mean.... WTF !?!?!?!?! YOURE DOING SWEET fvck ALL RIGHT NOW !!! WHY WAIT TO BEGIN TALKS!!?!?!
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:30 PM

I think you've gotta be a subscriber for the WSJ article, but I'm not sure. That's the only reason that I didn't post it before.
Not that it hurts to post it, but it's usually "de rigueur" (don't worry, I had to look up the spelling too. lol) to mention that a subscription is required.


I am not a subscriber...and got in to read the article no-problem, maybe you have to be a subscriber to read it the day the article comes out, but its a few days old now.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:33 PM

the fact that nobody knows what the next cba will have to say about the cap makes this a little tough if he makes it unsigned through the season.

that being said, if we assume all things remain about the same, the most likely landing spots are (in the order i'd think):

DET
MIN
NJ
NYR
PHI


I think Zach and dad are gonna watch the playoffs this season, and see which teams are really contenders, then wait till July to see if one of those teams sends him an offer.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:37 PM

Lou is arguably the greatest gm in hockey

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

I think Zach has a bit more integrity than to go to NYR or PHI or PITT but you never know.

He seems to be having fun playing on the line he's on. Two most important things he probably needs are consistency and stability which NJ has proven to show him yet.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:03 PM

the fact that nobody knows what the next cba will have to say about the cap makes this a little tough if he makes it unsigned through the season.

that being said, if we assume all things remain about the same, the most likely landing spots are (in the order i'd think):

DET
MIN
NJ
NYR
PHI


Chicago has a ton of cap room, I think they are the most likely players for Parise. Not so sure about Detroit - lot of questions about that team once Lidstrom retires. They have a bunch of great prospects but if you look at the NHL roster the future isn't too bright.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:07 PM

i think it would be REALLY CLEAR for Zach that a team would be a SERIOUS contenders to sign somewhere if he likes it here and he's Captain here after all and he likes it here.

Minnesota are not better than us, their top player (Koivu) to me isnt that much better than what Henrique could become... Henrique is on pace to crush Mikko's rookie year and he's on pace for a have a season equal to koivu's 2nd best season of 67pts... and they don't have a Larsson or anything. Plus no leadership like Elias is bringing, no Kovalchuk kind of player either

plus obviously it probably wouldnt change anything but with Koivu, Zach would lose his number and his C... not that i think that he cares or anything but still lol

Detroit are going down and its obvious... Lidstrom is gone, Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Holmstrom, kronwall, franzen, bertuzzi are still good but they will decline and they future's packed with late round picks... they really don't have a bright future other than a lots of cap space coming... but who knows what they'll do with it... NJ's future looks way brighter than in Detroit.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:18 PM

Chicago has a ton of cap room, I think they are the most likely players for Parise. Not so sure about Detroit - lot of questions about that team once Lidstrom retires. They have a bunch of great prospects but if you look at the NHL roster the future isn't too bright.


that's a good point about chicago. i think they'd prefer a center but you're right - that's a serious landing spot.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:26 PM

I'm fairly certain that Lamoriello has a pretty good idea about what's coming with the next CBA. Well, as good of an idea as anyone else at least.
Last I remember he was on the committee (whatever it's called now), wasn't he?

Let's run with that list though.
CapGeek's salary cap chart for next season says
Detroit: 14 players (needs 6), $24.6 mil in cap space.
Minnesota: 12 players (needs 8), $20.8 mil cap
New Jersey: 14 players (needs 6), $24.6 mil in cap space.
New York Rangers: 15 players (needs 5), $15.9 mil in cap space.
Philadelphia: 19 players (needs 1), $5.4 mil cap.

I'd also add Los Angeles: 19 players (needs 1), $14.1 mil cap.
Vancouver: 16 players (needs 4), $9.6 mil cap
and Boston: 14 players (needs 6), $12.5 mil cap.

Detroit kinda worries me because they have Lidstrom coming off the books (and he'll retire after this season). Still, they've specifically gotta replace him on the blue line (I don't know anything about their minors system, does anyone know off hand if they can try to replace him organically?)

I don't think that Philly or Los Angeles can afford him.

I'd think that the Rangers are out of the running as well, after having signed Richards this summer and their needing to resign Del Zotto to an actual contract next season (right?).

Vancouver... I don't know. I think their top priority is going to be resigning or replacing Schneider, but the direction they go is very dependant on their playoff success (or lack thereof). I could see them throwing out all of the stops and making a move similar to what the Flyers did this summer if they don't win again this season. I could make almost the exact same case for Boston, as well.

When you look everything over, the Devils and the Red Wings have the same budget and the same number of holes to fill, so they've gotta be the top candidates. There's been rampant speculation about money as well, with Chambers wanting out of his limited partnership, and the fact that Lou made the mistake of uttering the work "budget" once this summer. I understand being pessimistic, especially about money issues, and more especially about money issues while here in New Jersey (lol!), but what I read between the lines of what Lou has actually said my perception is of good cap management. I don't have any inside information of course, but the ownership thing is strikes me as the type of financial gaming foolishness that should be expected from a whiz kid born at Lehman Brothers. Ray Chambers accomplished his goals with ownership of the team (namely, moving them to Newark), and simply doesnt' want to deal with the headaches of owning a professional sports franchise. Everything else is pretty much garbage that can be attributed to the New York Post, the bastion of journalistic integrity! (supported by Forbes, who glommed on to the speculation after nobody in professional journalistic circles got traction at shooting down the Post... salacious stories about pro sports franchises in trouble glean eyeballs, after all.)

I am not a subscriber...and got in to read the article no-problem, maybe you have to be a subscriber to read it the day the article comes out, but its a few days old now.

Cool, good to know. I've taken crap form some about posting WSJ stories because you do have to be a subscriber for (most?) of their content.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

Oh, good point abut Chicago.
17 players (need 3), $9.6 mil cap space.

Not "a ton", but definitely workable. Let's see... they don't really have any holes to fill, or holes being crated this off season (they did have to dump salary before last season). They could easily let Brunette walk (and retire?) and replace him with Parise, and then they could probably fill out their blue line with kids or journeymen. Playing with Kane and Toews would have to be appealing as well. Tough one. I think that I'll put them up there with Detroit and the Devs.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:34 PM

i dont know about chicago... it would strap them like crazy, i think they learned to managed their cap better... plus they'd have to pay him more than kane and toews... not too sure we'd see that happen, plus its not as if they need more scoring really, but if you can fit zach on your team i guess you do it
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:00 AM

See, here's the kind of BS that happens in journalism with these kinds of stories. Rich Chere publishes his original report to the Star-Ledger, which I linked to earlier, and then 2 hours later James O'Brien over at NBC Sports writes a piece using Parise's “I think in my situation you have to look down the road,” just... slightly... out of context in order to come up with something a tad bit more exciting sounding while being able to say that it's not intentionally misleading. Of course he leaves out the remainder of the quote, where he talks about how "we should’ve won." in previous seasons, and acknowledging that his dad is right about his loyalty while mistaken about his thinking that he would have gotten out earlier in the season (“There is no way he meant this year. He had to have meant last year,”)
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:22 AM

Look, any of these teams could make space, it just depends on the next CBA. The Rangers could easily wind up trading Brandon Dubinsky somewhere and that opens up enough room for Zach if they cut corners in places. The Hawks could deal Michael Frolik and they have a ton of room now. But I suspect that when the next CBA comes, the cap is going to be a little tighter - the players will have the choice of greater rollbacks and a higher cap or fewer rollbacks and a lower cap, and they'll take the latter.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

anyways... bottom line is, im pretty sure if Lou could come up with the right deal and propose it to Zach in the next few weeks, Zach would sign it. I dont think Zach would wait til July 1st to see whats out there.

but the more he's waiting the more Zach could decide to wait... especially if Lou's waiting 'til the end of the season

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 07:57 AM

its just pissing me off to hear "We will do everything we can to have him be here."

i mean.... WTF !?!?!?!?! YOURE DOING SWEET fvck ALL RIGHT NOW !!! WHY WAIT TO BEGIN TALKS!!?!?!


Lou said the same thing about Alexander Mogilny and others through the years. Can't take much from what Lou says...the track record shows he keeps some free agents and he loses some, but he doesn't lose quite as many as some make it out to be, and doesn't get enough credit for the ones he hangs on to...whether you like Kovy or not, did anyone ever imagine Lou would ever go to the lengths that he did to keep him, even seemingly bidding against himself? Same with Nieds...yes, he left, but Lou went all-out trying to bring him back, offering the max at that time for several years. And as we've seen, some of the "biggies" that have gotten away (Holik, Gomez, Gionta) haven't shown themselves to be worth what they received on the open market.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:15 AM

Lou said the same thing about Alexander Mogilny and others through the years. Can't take much from what Lou says...the track record shows he keeps some free agents and he loses some, but he doesn't lose quite as many as some make it out to be, and doesn't get enough credit for the ones he hangs on to...whether you like Kovy or not, did anyone ever imagine Lou would ever go to the lengths that he did to keep him, even seemingly bidding against himself? Same with Nieds...yes, he left, but Lou went all-out trying to bring him back, offering the max at that time for several years. And as we've seen, some of the "biggies" that have gotten away (Holik, Gomez, Gionta) haven't shown themselves to be worth what they received on the open market.


I'm not pissed cause i think he won't be able to make it happen or wtv... i dont care about his % of success either. im pissed cause Lou is playing EXTREMELY RISKY games or acting old school for wtv reasons, and he SHOULDNT play with fire with Zach, not even a SECOND.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:38 PM

I agree with Colorado. Lou is one of the best because he doesn't get all crazy about these things. He knows how important Parise is, and I'm certain that he is and will do whatever is required to resign him. He's gotta be happy with Parise's attitude and statements to the media throughout all of this as well.

One additional thing to keep in mind here is that Zach has an agent. If you were Zach's agent, would you be talking to Lou right now? We're fans, so we have our perspective, but just remember that these are actual people that we're talking about, not trading cards and monopoly money.

I guess my only point is that stressing out over this, at this point in time, is rather useless and somewhat counter productive. I'll admit to my part in contributing to the problem as well, in that I'm talking about it too. Getting all pissed about it and screaming criticisms on a forum, blog, or news comments isn't going to do anything other than make you crazy.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 05:18 PM

See, here's the kind of BS that happens in journalism with these kinds of stories. Rich Chere publishes his original report to the Star-Ledger, which I linked to earlier, and then 2 hours later James O'Brien over at NBC Sports writes a piece using Parise's “I think in my situation you have to look down the road,” just... slightly... out of context in order to come up with something a tad bit more exciting sounding while being able to say that it's not intentionally misleading. Of course he leaves out the remainder of the quote, where he talks about how "we should’ve won." in previous seasons, and acknowledging that his dad is right about his loyalty while mistaken about his thinking that he would have gotten out earlier in the season (“There is no way he meant this year. He had to have meant last year,”)


I touched on this in the other thread...in ways, this is why Zach in an impossible situation when it comes to commenting on his situation. Everyone from fans to journalists are going to try to pick apart his every last word to try to get some insight into his mindset. How can he win? I think he's trying to be as honest as he can, but at the same time he's probably better off not giving anyone anything to run with.

I don't even think Zach knows what he wants, and who could blame him if he doesn't? Or wants to test the market? It's his right, and it's the first time in his career that he'll have complete say in where he's going to play. The Devils chose him; he didn't choose them. He does seem happy here overall, but if he thinks he can be happier somewhere else, it's his right to go there. This opportunity doesn't come up too often in player's life, especially one like Parise...chances are he's signing long-term wherever he goes, with a contract that will take him through his prime years and then some, so I wouldn't expect him to take this decision lightly. In some ways, unless he's head-over-heels in love with the Devils organization, can look past the team's financial issues, and is sure his best chance to win a Cup will come as a Devil, I think he'd alomst be doing himself an injustice by not seeing what else is out there first.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 10 January 2012 - 05:19 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 05:41 PM

Absolutely.
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