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#21 Dead

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:24 AM

I heard that the NHLPA did NOT reject the realignment, they simply wanted to keep talking but the NHL set a hard deadline which passed while discussions were still ongoing. NHL announced "NHLPA rejects" at the deadline.

Now I think a team should come east, and the Jets should go west. Divisions should also be renamed.

Atlantic - Patrik
the others - who cares
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:29 AM

The PA wanted to discuss travel issues.

Coming up with a schedule isn't something that can be done over night (or in 1 month) and since Atlanta moved to Winnipeg, you can't just take an old schedule, replace Atlanta with Winnipeg and do an analysis.

These players travel 1st class to and from games and get paid to travel (per diem).

If they were concerned about two divisions of 8 and 2 of 7...well, with 30 teams in the league, they will be uneven under a 4 division scenario no matter what happens.

This negotiation is gonna suck.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:22 AM

http://espn.go.com/n...playoffs-format

Seems like Staal is a whiny b*tch about leaving an easy divison...

"The way it is now, I don't mind. I think for us, for our team, going into a division against Washington, New York, Pittsburgh, Philly, whatever. The division we were in, it would have been tough."

Even Zach chimed in...

"I was surprised to hear that it didn't go through," New Jersey captain Zach Parise said. "I didn't like the change in the playoff format, so it's not bad for us. But I know some teams are going to be upset with the travel. I personally like it the way it is and didn't want any changes."

I really don't understand the travel argument, unless teams are complaining about having to play every team both home and away...which is what SHOULD happen. Now the Eastern teams are only playing road games against West teams 9 times, compared to 16 with realignment.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:30 AM

If the players are so worried about the inequality in the playoffs & travel, they might as well get rid of divisions and have two conferences. Move Winnipeg to the West, bring Columbus to the East. Play 4 games against the other 14 teams in your conference (56), and the remaining 26 against the other conference (11 teams both home and away, 2 teams home only, 2 teams away only).
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

If the players are so worried about the inequality in the playoffs & travel, they might as well get rid of divisions and have two conferences. Move Winnipeg to the West, bring Columbus to the East. Play 4 games against the other 14 teams in your conference (56), and the remaining 26 against the other conference (11 teams both home and away, 2 teams home only, 2 teams away only).

This wouldn't help with travel (aside from the Winnipeg business), but it would make the playoff qualifying as fair as possible with the current number of teams and games. I like the evenhandedness of it. Get the players to agree to an 86 game regular season in the next CBA and you can have perfect balance.
But this would probably hurt the Devils financially, taking out games against the Rangers, Flyers, Pens, & Isles and replacing them with the likes of the Blues, Ducks, and Oilers. The team would have to go into more dramatically tiered pricing to recoup the revenue.
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:20 PM

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7434057/nhl-delays-realignment-plan-modified-playoffs-format

Seems like Staal is a whiny b*tch about leaving an easy divison...


You're really going to say that when 90% of people here were giving the Charlie Brown 'WE'RE DOOMED!!!' atitude about the new division and how we'd never make the playoffs anymore?
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:42 AM

You're really going to say that when 90% of people here were giving the Charlie Brown 'WE'RE DOOMED!!!' atitude about the new division and how we'd never make the playoffs anymore?


Well, it's not like we'd be doomed, but it does seem a bit unfair to have 5 of the 6 teams in the new division be perennial playoff contenders. I know Washington has struggled this year, but they're starting to look better recently under their new coach. Carolina and maybe NYI would be the only truly "weak" teams in that new division. I also really didn't like the idea of having uneven divisions and then having divisional playoffs for the first two rounds. It's completely unfair to teams in the tougher divisions and then for the teams in divisions with an extra team. It's kinda bs that a team in our division would always get stuck playing Pitt or Philly who, the past few years, have been VERY strong teams and now with NY being a decent club this year, it's only that much harder.

I think it should be set up with two conferences so that the number of teams are equal and I liked playing different teams each year rather than playing the same few teams again and again. The goal should be equality and parity, not to save money on travel or some dumb bs like that. The teams and players can deal with a little extra travel so that they all have a much more equal chance at making the playoffs and getting a shot at the cup. I know I wouldn't care about a few extra frequent flyer miles in order to have a better shot at making the playoffs.

They should have just made a straight one for one swap or moved Winnipeg to the NW division, Minn to the central and either Columbus or Nashville to the Southeast. Keep it simple, if Detroit wants to whine about it, too bad for them, they aren't exactly getting crushed year after year where they are now. If Nashville gets into the SE division, they might actually have a decent shot at the playoffs with how weak that division is this year at least.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:18 AM

The thing is, team strengths tend to ebb and flow over time. You could look at what was going to be our conference and think "wow", but 10 years from now the makeup of the league will be completely different. I tend to believe that Eastern teams, and the Atlantic seaboard teams in particular, will always be somewhat stronger than the rest of the league for various reasons, but every team in our area has sucked at some point (some more than others).
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:22 AM

So based on what zach said...

"I was surprised to hear that it didn't go through," New Jersey captain Zach Parise said. "I didn't like the change in the playoff format, so it's not bad for us. But I know some teams are going to be upset with the travel. I personally like it the way it is and didn't want any changes."

Im gonna look way too much into it and point out that if he said that it would not be bad for "us"... And that the subject was next year... Sooooooooo zach sees himself in NJ next season!!!!

Im obviously joking here but hey... We'll take it lol
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:38 AM

So based on what zach said...

"I was surprised to hear that it didn't go through," New Jersey captain Zach Parise said. "I didn't like the change in the playoff format, so it's not bad for us. But I know some teams are going to be upset with the travel. I personally like it the way it is and didn't want any changes."

Im gonna look way too much into it and point out that if he said that it would not be bad for "us"... And that the subject was next year... Sooooooooo zach sees himself in NJ next season!!!!

Im obviously joking here but hey... We'll take it lol


That might be looking too much into it, but it's a good point that he spoke about that in a way that says he was thinking about how it'd affect the team next year. Doesn't make sense that he'd care if he was set on leaving in the offseason.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:43 AM

That might be looking too much into it, but it's a good point that he spoke about that in a way that says he was thinking about how it'd affect the team next year. Doesn't make sense that he'd care if he was set on leaving in the offseason.

Not to piss on the parade here, but Gomez recorded a 'Welcome to the Rock' video the last year in the Meadowlands that was promoting the opening the following season. So I wouldn't read too much into Zach's comments.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:51 AM

Not to piss on the parade here, but Gomez recorded a 'Welcome to the Rock' video the last year in the Meadowlands that was promoting the opening the following season. So I wouldn't read too much into Zach's comments.



Yes, but Gomez was filth and Zach is our beloved Captain xxox lol
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

That might be looking too much into it, but it's a good point that he spoke about that in a way that says he was thinking about how it'd affect the team next year. Doesn't make sense that he'd care if he was set on leaving in the offseason.


Unless he wants to go to another team in the division :whistling:
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:33 PM

Nah, actually, Zach is a loyal guy (kind of to a fault, apparently...). As a matter of fact, there was an article in the WSJ last night (which means that it was probably in the paper today) where his dad was talking about how he needs to shop around the league some. He's said himself that he plans on staying, and I'm willing to take his word on it (unlike... anyone who's a fan or reporter of any other team, apparently). Unless the Devils lowball him, of course. I just don't see that happening, because it's obvious to me that Lou has maneuvered his cap space in such a manner that resigning Zach won't be a problem.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:36 PM

Nah, actually, Zach is a loyal guy (kind of to a fault, apparently...). As a matter of fact, there was an article in the WSJ last night (which means that it was probably in the paper today) where his dad was talking about how he needs to shop around the league some. He's said himself that he plans on staying, and I'm willing to take his word on it (unlike... anyone who's a fan or reporter of any other team, apparently). Unless the Devils lowball him, of course. I just don't see that happening, because it's obvious to me that Lou has maneuvered his cap space in such a manner that resigning Zach won't be a problem.


Honestly he can say he is staying until he is blue in the face, but I'm not going to believe him until he signs a contract with us. The devils, as well as other teams in the league, have been burned plenty of times by players who say they want to stay but at the first minute of free agency they skip town.

Does anyone really expect parise to say anything else other than what he has been saying even if he has made his mind up already that he is leaving? Aside a few exceptions, it is still pretty rare for a player to say in a contract year that he is leaving ASAP and he is leaving no matter what his current team offers.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:21 PM

Honestly he can say he is staying until he is blue in the face,


Which is exactly what he's done. :P
Then he get's all pissy with reporters, and the story becomes "Parise unhappy with Devils". :argh: lol

No, I know, and you're right. I really, really hope that us fans aren't disappointed, but I'm pretty confident for a few reasons which I believe are reasonable. From the team's management side, they've made all of the correct moves to retain him (dumping Rolston/Hunter, Buying out White, and actually going out and grabbing Foster fits in as well, since it shows some commitment towards doing something this season). Added on to that is Zach's side. Of course you expect him to say something about wanting to stay, but it's the tone of what he's saying as much as the actual words he's using. I mean, it's not the usual pablum about "this is a great teams, blah, blah, blah..." He's been getting shorter with the media lately (and can you blame the guy, really?), but the kinds of statements that started this discussion are very typical of him (talking about "his team", "us", things like that...).

Regardless, there's going to be an absolute deluge of speculation for the next month or so. It makes good copy, after all. There's no need to stick our collective heads in the sand over this, and us as fans shouldn't quit worrying about it. My only point is to keep things in perspective. 3/4 of what's going on is nothing but media hype. Remember, you're the product when it comes to all of this. They make money by you reading their stories, so they're going to come up with the most salacious content that the facts will allow (and, in the case of the New York Post, some of the most salacious content that won't get them sued...).
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