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#41 DaneykoIsGod

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:17 AM

I like the idea of dressing seven defensemen once Greene comes back. Our fourth line has been consistently useless all season, so why not just use it as a placeholder for a double-shifted Kovy and/or Parise? Then keep Foster on the 1st PP unit and let Greene step in for the 5-on-5 and maybe take 2nd PP duty from Fayne. I think we miss Greene on the 2nd PK unit as well.

He's unspectacular, but relatively sound. Keep him around, IMO.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

Let's not forget that before Greene was injured he was on pace for somewhere around 40 points so even though the team has done well without him it isn't as though Greene was having a bad season.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:13 PM

With the current lineup, and including Zajac once healthy, dressing 7 D seems to make the most sense. There's enough horses at forward to spread double shifting duties around without wearing anyone down.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:28 PM

At the least, Greene is a much better skater than Foster.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

If by not moveable you mean they can't do without him, that's one thing but technically he's moveable since they moved Oduya around the same point into signing a long-term deal. I'd rather not see the Devils make it a habit...but it will be interesting to see what happens when (if?) Greene comes back, assuming nobody else gets hurt by then - which is a big assumption. With a healthy lineup, you'd have to figure Foster gets benched, but the PP has finally started to look NHL-caliber recently, do you really want to mess with it?


No, my point was that Greene will have just come back from injury. I don't think there's a team that would take a chance on a guy with 3 years left on his deal who hasn't played in 2+ months.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:11 PM

Greene is pretty good still, but right now there hasn't been a weak link on defense and it's hard to say who should sit. If Tedenby + Greene could be packaged for a good RW then I would be for it.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:53 PM

Either Enstrom or Vish would be a significant upgrade over Greene.

Enstrom is a solid 1A with some potential yet. Vishnovsky is a good 1A with more offense. The True #1 is rare an unavailable.

Both of these guys would immediately bring whoever they are paired with up a level.

Still pipe dreams, as I doubt we have enough to bring either and the cost for keeping them in future years is an issue.

However, since the True Stud #1 is usually never available Lou might have to get creative and come down a half of level to better the defense for a few years until Larsson is ready to inherit the mantle.

Greene on his best day is 4/5 man on a Cup team - regardless of what ice time he's been given.

I don't know for sure they are significant upgrades. Offensively they will be definitely. But these guys are not completely consistent players and I really don't know what they'll do moving to a new team mid-season. I like both Enstrom and Visnovsky and would be excited just because they would be a Devil but in reality I don't see them adding many wins nor do I have any idea how they'll handle playoffs.

Again, it's cool to get them but I'm not sure that the effort of making the transaction is even worth it. I mean if you get a great deal, go for it.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 03:00 PM

Since we're all dreaming a little here, and he hasn't been mentioned yet: Mark Stewart
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 06:48 PM

there is some good proverb for that situation

"bestness is an enemy of goodness" (really don`t know how it`s on english)

now we have working mechanism



with working PP, for what we put foster

and now SA/G is 27.4(3-4 rank in the league)

why we must to put green in top 6 and change something?



This.

I know statistics are flawed, but these stats back up what I've seen. The d isn't worse with Foster than Greene. We're not talking about trading a top 4 guy for a winger. We're losing a decent bottom pairing guy on a team that has a lot of decent bottom pairing guys for a right winger on a team with very few, unless Palmieri, Tedenby (at least this year) and Zharkov impress you.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 07:11 PM

No, my point was that Greene will have just come back from injury. I don't think there's a team that would take a chance on a guy with 3 years left on his deal who hasn't played in 2+ months.


this i disagree with. greene's a known commodity and the years left aren't that big a deal because of the injury. it's a toe - not a knee or something like that.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:59 PM

Well, this just became moot with Tallinder out for awhile.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

this i disagree with. greene's a known commodity and the years left aren't that big a deal because of the injury. it's a toe - not a knee or something like that.


I think it's a lot fairer to to say that because of the reasons Triumph listed, his stock isn't where it could be.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:39 PM

can urbom hurry up and take it to the next lvl already
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 11:38 AM

Let's not forget that before Greene was injured he was on pace for somewhere around 40 points so even though the team has done well without him it isn't as though Greene was having a bad season.


On what planet is 9 assists over 23 games on pace for 40 points over an entire season? He was on pace for more like 30 points, which is just about the same as what he put up last year. Greene is good for anywhere between 25-35 points over a full season, which isn't bad, but right now we have Larsson, who's on pace to hit that number or better and Foster, who can probably hit 25-30 points as well. This team doesn't need more mediocre d-men in terms of offensive output, what it needs is a 40+ point d-man, someone who isn't out of place in any team's top 4 and can make good passes out of our zone, rush the puck and score 40-50 points in a season.

Greene is definitely better than Foster, but he's still not a top 4 guy on most NHL teams and even on our team, he probably slots in on the bottom pairing once he gets back since Tallinder, Fayne, Volchenkov and Salvador will probably occupy the top 4, with maybe Vochenkov ending up paired with Greene once he's back to 100%, since Larsson has played well with Salvador. Greene is still imo, more like a #5-6 to me, who can be a mid pairing guy in a pinch when someone gets injured.

If he can be moved to acquire a top pairing offensive d-man with some sort of package including a pick an/or prospect, then I would be all for it, but unless we can get someone who is at least a #2 d-man, it's not worth it. No sense in trading someone who's at least a known quantity to us for another mediocre defenseman.
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

I don't care very much about points by a defenseman and I don't see why it's such a big deal. Goals by defensemen I do care about, but points? At even strength, most defensemen are the same. So it all comes down to the power play, where the Devils traditionally don't draw penalties and aren't particularly good.

The kind of defenseman you're describing becomes available almost never, and certainly isn't available for Andy Greene or any package involving him. Nor do I think acquiring that sort of defenseman for the stretch drive is a particularly good idea.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 02:26 PM

I don't care very much about points by a defenseman and I don't see why it's such a big deal. Goals by defensemen I do care about, but points? At even strength, most defensemen are the same. So it all comes down to the power play, where the Devils traditionally don't draw penalties and aren't particularly good.

The kind of defenseman you're describing becomes available almost never, and certainly isn't available for Andy Greene or any package involving him. Nor do I think acquiring that sort of defenseman for the stretch drive is a particularly good idea.


I certainly don't expect to see this team able to package Greene in a trade and somehow get back a top pairing, offensive d-man. I think my point was more that trading Greene didn't make a whole lot of sense, unless you could get a big upgrade on defense as a return, which is a return that, Greene alone, will not get that for us, but if we're talking about a trade with a team in firesale mode, a package of Greene, a prospect and a pick could bring that kind of return. The question is whether it's worth losing a prospect and what's likely to need to be a 2nd rounder and Greene, is worth bringing in a d-man that could just be a rental.

Imo, it's not worth it, unless we get a guy who's an established top pairing guy and is either signed to a multi year deal that's within our budget or is clearly someone that could be resigned with ease by us. It would really have to be someone good and not an overaged, declining in skill d-man that is not going to benefit us as much as that pick and prospect would have in another couple years.
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