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[Devils Pride 26]

No way Fayne sits over Greene. Big fan of the trade. Its Zidlicky for a 2nd and as mentioned earlier, gives us room to add on a couple of contracts getting farther away from the limit of 50.

[SterioDesign]

if he can score ONE goal like that in the in his Devils tenure... then it was worth it





edit: sucks that most of his videos on youtube are him getting drilled or fighting (and mostly losing)

Edited by SterioDesign, 25 February 2012 - 01:34 AM.

[hurricane1091]

Greene has been one of our best D-Men. Fayne has been the weakest link, easily.

[Amberite]

Would you really feel comfortable throwing Kurtis Foster out for a regular shift in the playoffs? The guy is a total disaster on the back end. He helped the power play, but either NJ was going to have to dress 7 D or take their chances with a guy that couldn't be trusted late in games.

I don't know who Zidlicky was willing to waive his NTC for, but Chicago is desperate for a d-man and probably would've given up a similar package.

Problem is that I'm not that comfortable with Zidlicky out for extended shifts either. Is he more trustworthy than Foster? Sure, but we weren't paying Foster $4M or giving up some picks and prospects for keeping him here.

I'm not doubting at all that Zidlicky is a better player and ultimately will give us a better edge than with Foster. What I'm worried about is that we gave up too much (the 2nd rounder really hurts) and that his $4M will be an issue next year.

[ghdi]

Edit: Or, even better, We can call him Informer. Zidlicky boom boom dooooooowwwn. (If you're under the age of 25, look it up.)

Informer is why I wanted to call him Licky in the first place hahaha.

[Z-Man]

TG's tweets are calming my anger about this trade...

Tom Gulitti‏@TGfireandice

I know it seems like the Devils gave up a lot for Zidlicky, but was it really?

Only player that was really playing that they gave up was Foster, who they got for Pelley and Fraser, who were not playing before trade.

If they have to give up the 2013 3rd rounder, that means they reached conference finals this year. Wouldn't that be worth it?

Not to mention, I'm not as concerned with the $4 mil next year. Even with Zidlicky, they're projected to have $22 million of cap space. Zidlicky is not going to make or break the chance of signing Parise. Especially since there are only 5 players under contract after next season (Kovy, Volchenkov, Tallinder, Greene, Larsson).

[Neb00rs]

I'm not doubting at all that Zidlicky is a better player and ultimately will give us a better edge than with Foster. What I'm worried about is that we gave up too much (the 2nd rounder really hurts) and that his $4M will be an issue next year.

That makes no sense. Why does the 2nd rounder "really hurt"? If you think Zidlicky gives us the better edge then it's a good trade because we are going for the Cup THIS year. That's the thought process in making the trade.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

It's an overpayment but if Zidlicky works out I don't mind paying it. I also don't mind paying it if the team goes to the conference finals.

[Steven M.]

Greene has been one of our best D-Men. Fayne has been the weakest link, easily.

Still don't understand how some people insist that Fayne is a terrible defender

[njdevsftw]

Bottom line; MZ will help this years Cup aspirations. Those other players and the 2nd round pick will not. A solid playoff performance this year may also go a long way in convincing Zach this is the place to be.

Edited by njdevsftw, 25 February 2012 - 08:01 AM.

[EdgeControl]

this appears to be an amicable ending to the foster fiasco! so Im happy. lets see what marek brings to the table as far as puck control and stick work near and behind our net. foster was brutal there, and its obvious we needed to sweeten the pot to the wild to dump him

[Marshall]

I'm OK with it. Sure, the 2nd stings but that's the cost of doing business this year.

[Biggie B]

To me it looks like Lou was willing to overpay a bit to give Marty another run or two at the Cup.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

This trade tells me two things:

1) There was a market for Zidlicky.

2) Lou clearly thinks his team is a bona-fide Cup contender.

Not sure why anyone would bitch too much about losing Pelley, Fraser, Palmieri, Villieux, or Foster. None of those guys were going to make or break the Devils.

The 2nd rounder and Zid's $4 million are concerns, but this has the feel of a "gut move" for Lou. Sometimes guys like him get that gut feeling and go with it.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 25 February 2012 - 09:11 AM.

[brodeur14301991]

TG taking a shot at the Post article saying we couldn't add money "Devils did increase payroll again today with that trade, by the way. Vernon Wormer will be upset." https://twitter.com/#!/TGfireandice

[NJDevs4978]

It's only an overpayment psychologically cause you're giving up four, maybe five pieces for one player, plus we were led to believe Zidlicky would go for less both because he was trying to decrease the value by saying he'd only waive for the Devils and all the initial reports were for less.

But only the picks have any real value, at least to me since I was never a NaPalm fan even last year. And the second-rounder is pretty much market for a defenseman since stay-at-home defensemen were also going for 2's, you had to figure the only real puck-moving d-man on the market would also go for a 2. And who cares about a 3rd two years from now if both conditions wind up being met, it'll be a fun Spring. If not, then you only give up a 2 and still have Zidlicky next year.

Plus what's being looked on as a negative (the full extra year) can be a positive just as easily, if not more so. Now we don't have to rush one of the kids and Zidlicky's more than a straight rental.

TG taking a shot at the Post article saying we couldn't add money "Devils did increase payroll again today with that trade, by the way. Vernon Wormer will be upset." https://twitter.com/#!/TGfireandice

Unfortunately the Post can still point to the fact we randomly threw in Palmeri and Vellieux as proof we needed to kick back extra money to the Wild. If anything the three bodies we gave up have negative value

[Triumph]

As TG points out Palmieri and Veilleux's AHL salaries for the rest of the year are $40,000, which is literally nothing. It's much more likely that the Devils wanted to clear their reserve list, and that Minnesota wants bodies to finish out their year.

[mikepeluso8]

Good read on this:

http://espn.go.com/b...-fit-for-devils

[NJDevs4978]

As TG points out Palmieri and Veilleux's AHL salaries for the rest of the year are $40,000, which is literally nothing. It's much more likely that the Devils wanted to clear their reserve list, and that Minnesota wants bodies to finish out their year.

And here's the Post's inevitable rebuttal to how we were able to make this deal with our 'secret budget':

(N)Єverson

Lamoriello found a way to get Zidlicky and still remain beneath the secret payroll budget he operates under while the Devils receive advances on coming revenue from the league. Only $923,000 of Zidlicky’s $4 million salary for this season remains, and that is nearly offset by the departure of the $418,000 left on Foster’s salary, the $329,000 from Palmieri’s deal and $28,000 on Veilleux’s two-way, an additional deficit of only $148,000.

Zidlicky has next season remaining on his contract at $4 million. By then, the Devils might be free of the payroll limit. It is believed the Devils had to include so many players to satisfy that budget now.

So apparently (N)Єverson's only counting Palmeri's NHL salary, as if he's on a one-way deal.

[Mayday]

Or as said before, Lou may of pushed Vellieux onto the Wild so we have more room with the amount of contracts a team can have.