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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:20 AM

This is Parises worst season in the NHL (discounting his rookie campaign). His timing is off, his shot is off, his instincts around the puck are off. He's usually the king of garbage goals, but this year he's taken up recycling.


Based on what I've seen this year, I definitely think it's not a slamdunk that the Devils should just sign him to an "at any cost" superstar deal. I'm not saying to just let him walk without making an offer, but if someone else wants to give him the moon and the stars, I don't the think Devils should match it.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:42 AM

This rivalry is intense. Refs were atrocious and didnt control the game. They let the tripping, holding and hooking go unabated last night and made an example out of Clarkson. Its like they wanted to give the Rangers a game back for last time. Btw, it was the same two refs.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:03 AM

we have no other option on the snakebite line, except insert center here, i think even elias is like aw nah not these two.

the passing has been a cow pie for more than last night

only thing is if marty doesnt let that in then the devs dont spend the rest of the game preventing 2-0...it doesnt matter, someone said we need to pressure hanky and why not run him like hes some kind of glass menagerie.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:19 AM

This rivalry is intense. Refs were atrocious and didnt control the game. They let the tripping, holding and hooking go unabated last night and made an example out of Clarkson. Its like they wanted to give the Rangers a game back for last time. Btw, it was the same two refs.


The reffing was a joke. All they were intent on doing was finding a valid excuse for kicking Clarkson out and not caring about all the shenanigans the Rangers were pulling all game. The Rangers are pretty much the Flyers in blue when it comes to their style of "lets act like douchebags on the ice and when we get caught cry about it." We decided to get physical (ok, so Clarkson left his feet, but still a hit that needed to happen) and we got picked on all night. It's just disgusting how the game degrades when we play them sometimes - especially in MSG. Tart-arella and the crowd seem to sway the refs, half the crap they pull goes unnoticed and everytime there's a fight, the ref gives US the instigator (whether warranted or not) and god forbid you say anything to the ref, whether you wear a letter or not, he gets all huffy you'd dare to question his judgement and gives you a misconduct.


That aside, we had some good opportunities, just got snakebitten. The puck got to the shooter like .1 seconds too late and the shot hits someone in front, or Queen sees it just fast enough. It was frustrating to watch. It could have easily just been our puck control, but the ice at MSG seems to be in $h!t condition a lot. I see it in games where other teams play them there. The puck bounces too much, gets caught up in something, people overskate because they don't expect the puck to stop, slow down abruptly or take a weird change of direction just as they get there. We just need to overcome it, not let them get in our heads and not worry about consequences. it's all in your head, just do it and don't think about it.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:29 AM

The reffing was a joke. All they were intent on doing was finding a valid excuse for kicking Clarkson out and not caring about all the shenanigans the Rangers were pulling all game. The Rangers are pretty much the Flyers in blue when it comes to their style of "lets act like douchebags on the ice and when we get caught cry about it." We decided to get physical (ok, so Clarkson left his feet, but still a hit that needed to happen) and we got picked on all night. It's just disgusting how the game degrades when we play them sometimes - especially in MSG. Tart-arella and the crowd seem to sway the refs, half the crap they pull goes unnoticed and everytime there's a fight, the ref gives US the instigator (whether warranted or not) and god forbid you say anything to the ref, whether you wear a letter or not, he gets all huffy you'd dare to question his judgement and gives you a misconduct.



Fascism at its best.

I agree with all your points though. Tortarella seemed to whine more then he usually does. I cant stand it. Every time they seemed to show him on the camera, he was yelling to the refs about something. Loved the penalty to Clarkson, they show Clarkson skating to the box confused, DeBoer confused and Larry showing 2 on his hands then Tort showing 5 then all of a sudden both hands were up indicating 10 then the refs gave him a 10. The first two min of the game were 2 icings that somehow brought the faceoff back to center ice 2 different times. and yes, every time someone questioned the official, they seemed to give them a penalty. Rupp yanking Clarksons foot out from under him in the faceoff and then Clarkson swinging his stick to get away and then both get a penalty? Prust cross checking Clarkson int he back then wanting to fight but not dropping his gloves so Clarkson got the extra was crap too.

We got yanked all game. Elias missing the basically open net and then 2 shots off the post didnt help either.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:49 AM

I hate losing to those self-important pieces of crap, but does anyone really think we can't play with that team and beat them in a playoff series? Sometimes the bounces go your way and, other times they don't. Last night, we got unlucky with the post shots, missed open nets by Elias and Henrique, and a few bad bounces that took away scoring chances. The 2 games we played them before that, we got the breaks and won. That alone goes to show you how evenly matched these 2 teams are.

For me, our 4 games against the Rangers this season has showed that, if they are the best team in the East, we aren't really that far behind and can take them out if we meet in the playoffs. Time to move on and focus on beating the Bruins for the first time this year.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:59 AM

I can't really make much of a case for the Devils deserving to win that one...Rangers did outplay them.


Not true at all. The Rags did nothing to suggest they deserved the two points more than we did except score a soft goal.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

I hate losing to those self-important pieces of crap, but does anyone really think we can't play with that team and beat them in a playoff series? Sometimes the bounces go your way and, other times they don't. Last night, we got unlucky with the post shots, missed open nets by Elias and Henrique, and a few bad bounces that took away scoring chances. The 2 games we played them before that, we got the breaks and won. That alone goes to show you how evenly matched these 2 teams are.

For me, our 4 games against the Rangers this season has showed that, if they are the best team in the East, we aren't really that far behind and can take them out if we meet in the playoffs. Time to move on and focus on beating the Bruins for the first time this year.


Considering we have two goals against Lundqvist in three games, no I don't think we've shown we can hang with them in the playoffs. Lose tight games, sure but I'm not convinced it'll be any different than '08.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 28 February 2012 - 12:02 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

Not true at all. The Rags did nothing to suggest they deserved the two points more than we did except score a soft goal.


The Rangers controlled play and did it their way. They dictated and the Devils reacted. It never felt like the Devils were ever able to impose their will on that game. Like I said, it felt worse than 1-0, which is a testament to how the Rangers controlled the game.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:53 PM

The Rangers controlled play and did it their way. They dictated and the Devils reacted. It never felt like the Devils were ever able to impose their will on that game. Like I said, it felt worse than 1-0, which is a testament to how the Rangers controlled the game.


I might say this had the Rangers dominated this game, but they didn't. While I also felt like it was worse than 1-0, it wasn't. And while you can say 'Oh, I knew they weren't going to score', nobody knew that, the Devils got some chances and didn't capitalize.

The Rangers played very well defensively, but they did not have the Devils on their heels, so I'm not going to pretend that they controlled play.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:53 PM

Considering we have two goals against Lundqvist in three games, no I don't think we've shown we can hang with them in the playoffs. Lose tight games, sure but I'm not convinced it'll be any different than '08.


I'm definitely not in the doom-and-gloom camp, but I do feel that the Rangers would be a terrible matchup for the Devils come playoff time. I think the Rangers would take the series 4-1, with the Devils scoring something like 7 goals for the series...even before Game 1 they'll be gripping their sticks too tight. But at least that probably won't be a first-round matchup. Worry about crossing that bridge if the Devils get to it.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:57 PM

I might say this had the Rangers dominated this game, but they didn't. While I also felt like it was worse than 1-0, it wasn't. And while you can say 'Oh, I knew they weren't going to score', nobody knew that, the Devils got some chances and didn't capitalize.

The Rangers played very well defensively, but they did not have the Devils on their heels, so I'm not going to pretend that they controlled play.


I think they did dominate, though not in the conventional way. For me, it felt like they weren't going to score, but I hadn't given up on them tying the game until there were about 3 mins left in the 3rd period...up until then there was a small part of me that thought, somehow, a bounce was going to go their way.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:58 PM

The Rangers controlled play and did it their way. They dictated and the Devils reacted. It never felt like the Devils were ever able to impose their will on that game. Like I said, it felt worse than 1-0, which is a testament to how the Rangers controlled the game.

Disagree, I guess you could say the same for the game three weeks ago when we won 1-0. We had many more quality chances, but couldnt hit an empty net. Clarkson was a fvcking moron last night, but the refs were being a bit unfair. The Rupp/Clarkson coincidental minors were a joke at best. How do you expect a guy to react when a goon is hooking at your skate causing you to almost slip (although thats not saying much with Clarkson's balance)? Seriously, it was almost amusing how Pierre was gargling McDonuts' nuts the whole game. On the replays they showed of the 1 on 1 battles with Parise and Kovy, half of the plays were blatant interferences or holds that werent called. Even Pierre was talking about how the Rags dmen were taking some liberties on our forwards. Frustrating loss, but we'll be back.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:04 PM

I think they did dominate, though not in the conventional way. For me, it felt like they weren't going to score, but I hadn't given up on them tying the game until there were about 3 mins left in the 3rd period...up until then there was a small part of me that thought, somehow, a bounce was going to go their way.


But it might've gone their way anyway. You and I had the same feeling, but that doesn't mean it was an accurate portrayal of how the game actually was.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:08 PM

The Rangers controlled play and did it their way. They dictated and the Devils reacted. It never felt like the Devils were ever able to impose their will on that game. Like I said, it felt worse than 1-0, which is a testament to how the Rangers controlled the game.


Dominating play is not sitting back and defending a lead for most of the game. They sure as heck didnt dictate the play either. We outchanced them, and probably had more offensive zone time. 1-0 did feel a lot worse but thats because the game was so tight and the Rags played solid D...but we had chances to tie it. Thats hardly being dominated or outplayed.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

But it might've gone their way anyway. You and I had the same feeling, but that doesn't mean it was an accurate portrayal of how the game actually was.


I don't really feel like my take is off on this one...I'm listening to what you and others are saying about this, but I just can't agree.

The Devils have two games left with the Rangers...there's a tendency to make too much out of regular-season matchups, but I'd be thrilled with a split of those final two games, where the Devils play like they have more of a say in the outcome...that's what bugged me about this game...it just felt like the Devils never had much of a say in this one, even with the close score, and some of the reffing.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:16 PM

Dominating play is not sitting back and defending a lead for most of the game. They sure as heck didnt dictate the play either. We outchanced them, and probably had more offensive zone time. 1-0 did feel a lot worse but thats because the game was so tight and the Rags played solid D...but we had chances to tie it. Thats hardly being dominated or outplayed.


Which is why I said they didn't dominate in the conventional (read: pretty) way.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:32 PM

Considering we have two goals against Lundqvist in three games, no I don't think we've shown we can hang with them in the playoffs. Lose tight games, sure but I'm not convinced it'll be any different than '08.


They haven't fared too much better against Brodeur this season (especially in the 2nd half of the season since Brodeur has started to play better). Their offense scares no one and, amazingly, their power play and penalty kill are worse than ours. Add to that the fact that they are fully healthy, and we are still missing Zajac, and I beg to differ. Would it surprise me if the 2 teams met in the playoffs and either team won the series? No. My point is, we are more evenly matched than some people give us credit for.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

Dominating play is not sitting back and defending a lead for most of the game. They sure as heck didnt dictate the play either. We outchanced them, and probably had more offensive zone time. 1-0 did feel a lot worse but thats because the game was so tight and the Rags played solid D...but we had chances to tie it. Thats hardly being dominated or outplayed.


I agree. The Devils were not dominated last night. Henrique absolutely should have tied it with 4 mins left. How he missed that chance, and put the puck out of play from less than 5 feet in front of the goal is beyond me. The Queen clearly gets in these guys heads, and they feel they must make the perfect play to score on him (as evidenced by the numerous times we passed into traffic when a shot should have been taken last night). Just shoot the f'in puck and crash the net for rebounds. If you run his Michelin Man ass over, so be it. Their PP sucks, and we are better on the PK than at even strength anyway.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:06 PM

I hate losing to those self-important pieces of crap, but does anyone really think we can't play with that team and beat them in a playoff series?


I think I'd go into a deep depression if we had to face them in the playoffs. Do you remember how Jagr looked in interviews when we swept them a few years back? That's how I'll look.

They are far and away the last team I want to face in a 7 game series in the NHL, even more so than the Flyers.

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