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[Aznjsn]

Yeah, except the Queen's had the shootout to help pad pads help his 30-win seasons.

And I know, I know that goes for Brodeur as well (to a much lesser extent obviously).

But I'd bet he wouldn't have touched 30-wins each of those 7 years without the shootouts.

Fixed.

[Zubie#8]

Ya and Henrik has zero 40 win seasons compared to Brodeur's eight. I really hate that 30 win seasons stat.

[hargsy]

Ya and Henrik has zero 40 win seasons compared to Brodeur's eight. I really hate that 30 win seasons stat.

he's at 31 wins right now, so he might get 40 this year...but it's no lock, with 16 games remaining, let's say he plays 12 of those, the rags have to go 9-3 in those games, it's possible..but not automatic as they have been in a scoring drought lately.

Edited by hargsy, 09 March 2012 - 06:14 PM.

[Devils Pride 26]

Lundqvist wins per season:

05-06: 30
06-07: 37
07-08: 37
08-09: 38
09-10: 35
10-11: 36
11-12: 31 (so far)

Lundqvist non-shootout wins per season:

05-06: 26
06-07: 29
07-08: 31
08-09: 29
09-10: 32
10-11: 29
11-12: 28 (so far)

CONVERSATION... OVER

[LucifersDog]

Sounds like a lot of double standards being thrown out. A number of Marty's records were had using the shoot out rule.

[LucifersDog]

Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905


who do you want in net ?

Edited by LucifersDog, 09 March 2012 - 07:18 PM.

[ATLL765]

Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905


who do you want in net ?

Bryzgalov has been sub-par all year. Brodeur had a tough start to the season, but has been much better in the 2nd half, especially from Feb-now. I'd like to see what Bryz's stats look like through that time. I bet their not nearly as good as Marty's, so I'd pick Marty, seeing as for the past month or so, he's been great.

[Devils Pride 26]

Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905


who do you want in net ?

Marty, easily. He's been around the block once or twice, or shall we say three or four times. Bryz is as awkward as they come, who wants a goalie who doesn't mind sitting when the coach says? One thing Marty's got going for him is that he will always be a competitor.

[lazer]

right i hear all that, im not comparing the two, that being said:

Post Lockout Playoffs
Marty 37GP 15/22 2.656 .908%
Hanky 35GP 15/20 2.60 .909%

my #'s have been suspect and the stat is somewhat meaningless i admit

i dont have to ask who youd rather have in net do i?

and that was always my point, whether it be marty of old or an old marty, ill take either one; lucky for us, he is good ol' marty

if they decide moose is in net i am 100% moose

Edited by lazer, 10 March 2012 - 04:34 AM.

[RowdyFan42]

as much as i hate to say it:

Henrik Lundqvist 49GP 31wins .937SV% 1.84GAA

"Lundsanity"

Lundqvist is now the only goaltender in the history of hockey to win 30 games in each of his first seven NHL seasons.

[lazer]

Edited by lazer, 09 March 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[David Puddy]

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Edited by David Puddy, 10 March 2012 - 01:18 AM.

[njdevsftw]

And he has... how many 40-win seasons?

You seriously think how many WINS your team gets is a good indication of GOALIE performance? Seems like the most absurd stat of all.. One that would probably bump Chris Osgood up as one of the all time greats.. While Luongo in his first 4 years as a Panther must have sucked badly as he got almost no wins..

Obvious bad stat is obvious.

Edited by njdevsftw, 10 March 2012 - 01:18 AM.

[Devil Fan]

Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905


who do you want in net ?

I pick Marty because...
1) cap hit
2) playoff success
3) stick handling
4) Bryzgalov= Cechmanek (fantastic regular season with ugly playoff numbers)

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Sounds like a lot of double standards being thrown out. A number of Marty's records were had using the shoot out rule.

Other than the regular-season win record, name another that was aided with the shootout rule.

Take away his shootout wins, and he would still own the all-time wins record by a wide margin...he has 609 non-shootout wins to his credit. The shootout allowed him to break the all-time wins record earlier than he would have otherwise, but as we saw, he would've broken it anyway in due time.

[DaneykoIsGod]

You seriously think how many WINS your team gets is a good indication of GOALIE performance? Seems like the most absurd stat of all.. One that would probably bump Chris Osgood up as one of the all time greats.. While Luongo in his first 4 years as a Panther must have sucked badly as he got almost no wins..

Obvious bad stat is obvious.

Marty's 12 straight seasons of 30 wins or more say a lot about his consistency, durability, and longevity. Looking any further into those numbers would be foolish, but you can't just discredit them either.

The most 30-win seasons Osgood ever strung together was three ('97-98 through '99-00). And Roberto Luongo fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a better goalie than he really is playing in Florida. Your counter arguments to using wins as a measuring stick for goalies are both poor examples.

[NCDevsFan]

Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905


who do you want in net ?

Let me guess. In front of Bryzgalov, the team would play better.

[Vic Rattlehead18]

I think he's going to sign two 1 year contracts after this year. Probably 3mil for 60 games and then 1.5 for 40-50 games.

[njdevsftw]

And Roberto Luongo fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a better goalie than he really is playing in Florida.

He fooled everyone to think he was a good goalie by playing really well consistently over 4 seasons? Not sure that is fooling someone as much as just being really good.

[DaneykoIsGod]

He fooled everyone to think he was a good goalie by playing really well consistently over 4 seasons? Not sure that is fooling someone as much as just being really good.

Wait a second, you're gonna talk to Luongo's 4 seasons in Florida as a sign of consistency, yet downplay Brodeur's 12 straight 30-plus win seasons as a sign of consistency? OK. That makes sense.