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#121 Legion15

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:38 PM

eh, I'm closing the door on this game from my prospective before I end up getting mad over the things I hear about it (especially from my brother the Penguins fan)

I'll never admit (Crosby, Malkin, Kunitz, Flower, Player A, B,C - or not) that the Penguins are or were ever better than us. We've had some great teams and could have won every game we've played them once we became a good team around the mid 90s, but haven't always seemed to have our head in it or that urgency to WIN every time we've played them. We have the talent to overcome people like Crysby in the past and we've DONE IT before (the first throwback game). We have the talent to go head to head with the best the NHL can throw at us but don't always show it. When we don't we get blown out like this. Were we outclassed today? No, I don't believe it for a second. We didn't have our heads in it completely, we didn't seem to 'want it' as much (I even heard the players refer to the throwback game as 'fun' which means the mindset was, eh, we'll win, we'll get up on them early then put on a clinic for our fans) - and THAT'S why we lost, had too much of a laid-back nostalgic attitude going in and we were playing a team with a ton of confidence on a now 11-game winning streak. I'm just convinced they didn't rise to the challenge cause they didn't see it as such a big one. This is the last 10, you HAVE to be up for EVERY one going forward. Sure, if we end up 6th, so be it. At this point I'd rather play #3 cause it will prob be the Panthers from a weak conference. I don't want to see Philly, Rangers, Penguins first round because I think they will be too starstruck over those teams' players and their flashy "skills" and not take the body and win puck races, and get the puck moving, and we'll either get swept, or lose out in 5 games. I certainly would feel getting in the playoffs is a big accomplishment over last year, but it would be better than since the lockout if we could get in and at least make it to the second round if we must not advance.

Well, guys, lick your wounds, walk it off and come out fighting looking for blood on Monday. Let's end the season series vs the Rangers on a winning note. We need some momentum to ride going into the playoffs.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:39 PM

Christ, DeBoer show some fkn emotion, u robot. Ur team just got embarrassed.



This is why I'll never be a fan of this coach. They can win the Cup & I still won't agree with his style of coaching.

It's good to know how pissed off Parise is though. He's been calling them out the last 3 games.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

This is why I'll never be a fan of this coach. They can win the Cup & I still won't agree with his style of coaching.

It's good to know how pissed off Parise is though. He's been calling them out the last 3 games.


I mean, Ftorek threw a bench on the ice but he never won us the Cup.

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

Edited by DevilsFanSteve30, 17 March 2012 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:47 PM

This is why I'll never be a fan of this coach. They can win the Cup & I still won't agree with his style of coaching.

It's good to know how pissed off Parise is though. He's been calling them out the last 3 games.

His "style" of coaching is what:
1. Has enabled this mediocre team able to transition to the new NHL
2. Has earned the respect of players like Parise and Kovy instead of the public Torts-esque media tantrums that happen elsewhere.

I don't care what he says to the media - it serves zero purpose short of making the fans' wounds a little sting a little less.

Its what he does when the locker room door closes that interests me more.

Edited by DevilinLA, 17 March 2012 - 04:48 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

Several things that upset me but one thing is definitely PDB's fault. When the guys are not scoring or being shutdown, you need to break them up. Can't keep Parise-Henrique-Kovy on the same line at the moment, need to light a fire over there and for that PDB has to mix them up. I don't understand why he doesn't do that. The problem with Lemaire is he did it every other shift, which was upsetting, and PDB doesnt do it at all. Got to be a little dynamic here.

He could've moved henrique to the third, kovy to left with elias/sykora and zubrus to the right with josefson/parise and see how it pans out. This guy has to some times take this risk if the game is pretty much done and see how it goes.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:14 PM

Several things that upset me but one thing is definitely PDB's fault. When the guys are not scoring or being shutdown, you need to break them up. Can't keep Parise-Henrique-Kovy on the same line at the moment, need to light a fire over there and for that PDB has to mix them up. I don't understand why he doesn't do that. The problem with Lemaire is he did it every other shift, which was upsetting, and PDB doesnt do it at all. Got to be a little dynamic here.

He could've moved henrique to the third, kovy to left with elias/sykora and zubrus to the right with josefson/parise and see how it pans out. This guy has to some times take this risk if the game is pretty much done and see how it goes.


I agree....try it out now....instead of game 4 in the playoffs when we're down 0-3. You never know (unless you try) it could have an immediate positive result.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:18 PM

Guys, PDB has shown tremendous ability to navigate the lines this season. Let's wait and see what he does. I think the return of Travis, we need to diversify a little bit. I think he will do the right thing.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:41 PM

Guys, PDB has shown tremendous ability to navigate the lines this season. Let's wait and see what he does. I think the return of Travis, we need to diversify a little bit. I think he will do the right thing.


The return of Travis will be fun, don't get me wrong, but we can't expect much from him heading into the playoffs.
Not playing all season and then heading into the playoffs? He will be a few steps behind the intensity.

PDB needs to change these lines for Monday. End of story.
2 goals in 3 games with the team the Devils have is inexcusable.
14 shots today, 17 vs. the Flyers. Not good heading into the final 10 games of the season. Especially because those teams are in our division and would possibly be someone we would have to face in the second round, if we get that far. One can hope.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:48 PM

Well I will say this the game could have been better, a win is always nice. However to get all worked up because they lost to a very hot team today, while not playing very well is what it is. I was worried about Marty during warm ups because he was letting in lots of pucks, but he was a wall for the most part in the game. Some players played well at times, just not everyone clicking at the same time. Boulton (i think) threw a huge is what we need him to do :). Clarkson standing up for Marty (and really anyone on the team).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

No one is saying this game is the refs fault. we were talking about the inconsistency of the kick ins. How does our poor performance relate to that topic?


Because a game where:

A) We actually got as many PP's than the other team despite being dominated (if we're going to complain when the same thing happens in reverse - which it has a number of times - we have to at least pipe down about the refs when it happens for us).
B) The goal call was actually correct as stated in the NHL rulebook, unlike the Parise call which was a completely erroneous judgement.
C) We got pounded from pillar to post

Is 'not' the game to be bagging on the refs and crying about a conspiracy as was going on in this thread. Granted they had some goofy calls toward the end handing out misconducts for wrestling, but really the game was over at that point anyway and they were trying to head off the sore-loserdom physical play that often happens in blowout games.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:57 PM

fvck the devils. What an absolutely pathetic effort. Screw this team. DeBoer better show some balls in punishing this group. If i read he says oh no big deal ill be calling for his head.


Personally I'd bag skate them (Marty excepted) Herb Brooks style after they magically showed up the first five minutes of the third after taking the first forty minutes off.

That said, I'm not a coach. You do have to be careful about what extent you punish them considering the fact they have games Monday and Tuesday as well. I'd take away their day off and make them watch film certainly, but bag skating them at this juncture could be counterproductive. It's not like they've made a habit of not showing up (then again I didn't see Tuesday's game so this was probably twice in a week that they haven't, which would be an issue).
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:10 PM

this is what playing for sixth place looks like.

that is all.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

Really can't stand these Pittsburgh fans. I don't think any of them have heard of a player from before 2005.


DD56, I was there today, and I must have had this same exact thought at least five times throughout the afternoon.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:27 PM

Did anyone else think that when bob arsena was announcing the names and would pause halfway through the name he was turning to the guy next to him asking "who the hell is this a$$hole?!"
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:45 PM

this is what playing for sixth place looks like.

that is all.


This actually may be true. We always assume that teams are trying to get as high as possible, but there might really be a concerted effort to get 6th place. We all know how Pittsburgh would tank seasons to get 1st overall pick, so I don't see why other teams wouldn't try to position themselves in certain slots for the playoffs. For the past few years (except last, obviously) we've worked hard to get as high up in the standings as we could, only to draw a terrible 1st round opponent like Philly or NYR which we could have avoided if we swallowed our pride a little and took a lower spot in the standings. I can't see Lou allowing it to happen consciously, but with how back and forth this team is, it wouldn't surprise me if the players have it on their mind to stay in 6th.

Don't forget that we beat Pittsburgh pretty convincingly three times this season. They are surging now, but it doesn't explain how badly they beat us today.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:57 PM

lol not too long ago people here we're all pumped that we didnt gave up more than 2 goals for like 5-6 games or something and everything was wonderful, Deboer is the man, we have a crazy depth, our d was doing great, Kovy is some kind of beast sent from god, marty is solid, etc etc

now we have one bad loss and the whole world is collapsing and we wont make it throught the first round, lets fire Deboer, bla bla bla bla bla


how can some people here keep a straight face blaming the players for being inconsistent, they are the ones playing a game every 2 days through small injuries, travelling, blocking shots, being away from their families etc etc

while "as fan" they can't even try to stay positive sitting on their ass in the comfort of their home.

ridiculous

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:11 PM

lol not too long ago people here we're all pumped that we didnt gave up more than 2 goals for like 5-6 games or something and everything was wonderful, Deboer is the man, we have a crazy depth, our d was doing great, Kovy is some kind of beast sent from god, marty is solid, etc etc

now we have one bad loss and the whole world is collapsing and we wont make it throught the first round, lets fire Deboer, bla bla bla bla bla


how can some people here keep a straight face blaming the players for being inconsistent, they are the ones playing a game every 2 days through small injuries, travelling, blocking shots, being away from their families etc etc

while "as fan" they can't even try to stay positive sitting on their ass in the comfort of their home.

ridiculous


I have to admit, the one thing that bugged me about this game is that I've seen this before from the Devils come playoff time...the whole two-steps-slower thing. Maybe the Devils can find a way to beat teams like the Flyers, Rangers, Bruins or Penguins, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose any of those series in 6 games or less.

Having said that, all I was really asking the Devils to do was to find their way back into the playoffs this season, and they're going to do that. If they nab the 6th seed, I think they also have a great chance to win a round. After that, I don't really know, but never at any point this season did I consider them an elite team or a real Cup contender. If this team wins two playoff rounds, I'll say they'll have overachieved significantly.
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:17 PM

I have to admit, the one thing that bugged me about this game is that I've seen this before from the Devils come playoff time...the whole two-steps-slower thing. Maybe the Devils can find a way to beat teams like the Flyers, Rangers, Bruins or Penguins, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose any of those series in 6 games or less.

Having said that, all I was really asking the Devils to do was to find their way back into the playoffs this season, and they're going to do that. If they nab the 6th seed, I think they also have a great chance to win a round. After that, I don't really know, but never at any point this season did I consider them an elite team or a real Cup contender. If this team wins two playoff rounds, I'll say they'll have overachieved significantly.


Yeah thats fair and all i wanted this season was to have a team playing for .500 by the time zajac is back... Well took longer than expected but they did that. I also wanted zach signed... But wtv

I mean theres people here who seems to believe that the devils have to win all 82 games "well its my team and i want to see them win".... Cmon now lol you win some you lose some, theres good games theres bad games in a season...
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:19 PM

I think there was a thread a while back about separating Kovy and Zach - and I think it'll be done, just give them some time. We need to work Travis back in. I think there needs to be a way to maybe reduce Henrique's ice time - he looks a little worn out. We have 12 games to tweak the lineup before the playoffs. They are getting in, and now it's just getting ready.

I think ideally some sort of this to start when Zajac comes back

Parise-Henrique-Zubrus
Kovalchuk-Elias-Sykora
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Parise-Hanrique-Zubrus
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

Yeah thats fair and all i wanted this season was to have a team playing for .500 by the time zajac is back... Well took longer than expected but they did that. I also wanted zach signed... But wtv

I mean theres people here who seems to believe that the devils have to win all 82 games "well its my team and i want to see them win".... Cmon now lol you win some you lose some, theres good games theres bad games in a season...


Yeah, I was hoping for .500 until Zajac returned too...what's been great is that the Devils were able to build off their .500 (12-12-1) start without getting much of anything from Zajac, thanks largely to Henrique putting up Zajac-like numbers for a while, before tailing off.

There's been positives and negatives this season for sure...unfortunately, because of Brodeur's age and Zach's UFA status, I think some fans are starting to view this as a "Cup-or-bust" season, which I think is unfair...a LOT would have break right for the Devils to get to the Conference Final, let alone the Cup Final!
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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