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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

Pardon me for being dense, but I fail to see the point. Getting blown out by the Devils disqualifies him even though he's a huge part of the reason why the Pens got that far? And as for the rest of his career, his lack of playoff appearances isn't quite his fault. He was in Pittsburgh two more years and they sucked. Then he turned 30 and was a backup for the rest of his career, most of which was in Atlanta.

However, I believe your overall premise is that Hedberg isn't the guy to lean on in the playoffs. I agree, but it's not a knock on Moose. Even though he's a shadow of his former self, Marty Brodeur is still Marty Brodeur, and as far as I'm concerned, it's his job to lose.


My only point was that he had had playoff experience before. I wasn't making any statements about Hedberg otherwise. NJDevs4978 got what I was going for.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

I don't get why people keep glorifying Marty right now. He hasn't been playing all that great for the past few weeks. Yeah he's the greatest to play and yeah this is his team but right now looking into the playoffs the team winning is the most important thing and we have to play the hot hand. Moose has been really good in his past few starts so why not give him a chance? The team I feel plays better with him for some reason

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:19 AM

LOL at people glorifying Marty just because we recognize he should start the playoffs because of who he is and that we don't believe Hedberg will get two shutouts every three games if he played more. You don't play these games in a vacuum or on a computer. Real human emotions and psychology goes into it.

Besides, if there's anyplace that 'doesn't' glorify Marty, it's this board.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

And if Moose is in and the team loses in 5, how smart does it look knowing you had your franchise HOF goalie sitting on the bench because Moose played really well recently in his spot starts? I mean, we're calling for Moose in the playoffs based on wins over the Capitals, Islanders, and Senators.

Have we looked at what happened when Moose was starting consistently? Better yet, here's the teams Moose has beaten this year...

Carolina (not in playoffs)
Los Angeles (8th place)
Nashville (4th place)
Philadelphia (5th place)
Washington (8th place)
NY Islanders (not in playoffs)
Ottawa (7th place)
Tampa (not in playoffs)
Dallas (3rd place)
Florida (3rd place)
Edmonton (not in playoffs)

So... 4th place, 5th place, 7th place, two 8 places, 4 non playoff teams, and two 3rd places who would be ranked 7th if not for divisional seeding.

And I say this as a big Moose fan, but he's a back up.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:30 PM

CR was just correcting people who said Hedberg had never been in the playoffs before, or hadn't had 'much' playoff experience. He had it, just not recently.

Ah, okay, got it. Like I said, I was a bit dense back there. :doh1:

And it's become obvious Marty needs to sit at least another game before the playoffs (even with no back to backs) since he's given up at least a bad goal a game for a week and surrendered what, 13 goals in his last three? While Hedberg's surrendered one in his last three. Nothing wrong with actually using a useful backup.

I can agree with that. It's still Marty's job to lose, but it wouldn't hurt to rest him again down the stretch.


My only point was that he had had playoff experience before. I wasn't making any statements about Hedberg otherwise. NJDevs4978 got what I was going for.

Right, I saw that. Sorry, I must not have been paying close enough attention. :cheers:
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:02 PM

Didn't read most of the thread, just wanted to weigh in.

Moose has far outplayed Marty this year, and it would be blind loyalty to go with Marty in the playoffs. Some stats (out of 44 goalies that have qualified with 25 GP):

Sv%: Hedberg 18th, Marty 35th (out of 44)
GAA: Hedberg 10th, Marty 22nd
Games over .500: Hedberg 16-7-2 (7 over .500), Marty 26-21-4 (1 over .500)

Moose is 6-1in his last 7 starts, and deserves at least a shot at being the guy in the playoffs.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:10 PM

Didn't read most of the thread, just wanted to weigh in.

Moose has far outplayed Marty this year, and it would be blind loyalty to go with Marty in the playoffs. Some stats (out of 44 goalies that have qualified with 25 GP):

Sv%: Hedberg 18th, Marty 35th (out of 44)
GAA: Hedberg 10th, Marty 22nd
Games over .500: Hedberg 16-7-2 (7 over .500), Marty 26-21-4 (1 over .500)

Moose is 6-1in his last 7 starts, and deserves at least a shot at being the guy in the playoffs.


That's great, but it ignores the fact that Moose played mostly teams that were low seeds or out of the playoffs.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:12 PM

That's great, but it ignores the fact that Moose played mostly teams that were low seeds or out of the playoffs.


SV% isn't really affected by this, though.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:20 PM

That's great, but it ignores the fact that Moose played mostly teams that were low seeds or out of the playoffs.

He beat Philly Ottawa and the Kings(they were good early) twice and Florida once.

IF we play the Panthers I want to see Hedberg in net because Brodeur had major problems with the Versteeg line. Brodeur was 1-2 versus Florida this yr with Versteeg scoring 5 goals against him. But of course this will never happen because Marty will play every playoff gm making this whole thread moot.

I'm more comfortable with Hedberg in net because his positioning is better and even when he does'nt see a shot he will still make the save. Marty played good this year but I am NEVER comfortable when he's playing.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:09 PM

The 18th best save percentage in hockey doesn't win a series. I'm not saying Marty's been good at all, but we gotta hope we catch lightning in a bottle with Marty. I don't see it happening with Moose. No disrespect, I really like the Moose, but as has been said here, there is a reason he's a backup.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

Our team plays better in front of Moose, at least I believe they do.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:41 PM

Our team plays better in front of Moose, at least I believe they do.



As do I.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

SV% isn't really affected by this, though.


Which is why I brought up Schwab, Clemmer, and Danis earlier. They've all posted superior numbers to Brodeur when getting limited starts. I'm not sure which exact factor to point to, but there's something about getting spot duty behind Brodeur that can make unspectacular goalies post otherworldly numbers.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:52 PM

That's great, but it ignores the fact that Moose played mostly teams that were low seeds or out of the playoffs.


Not to mention the fact Marty's had a good second half after a horrid first half that dragged his numbers into the abyss. So we're gonna bench him in April based on bad October-mid December play.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 26 March 2012 - 07:53 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:57 PM

Bottom line: Marty's going to play all playoff games, fatigue rather quickly and we'll either barely beat the Panthers or lose.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:10 PM

i wouldnt say he had a pedestrian season. just a bad streak over the last couple of weeks.


The bad streak Marty has hit (losing 10 of his last 14) negates the All-Star surge..
..subsequently, his numbers for the season; 26 wins, 25 losses.. 2 shutouts in 54 games.. 2.50 GAA with a Sv% at around .900 <-- this is the definition of average Mike.


Our team plays better in front of Moose, at least I believe they do.

As do I.


..as do most.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:15 PM

I get that guys have played better for the Moose, but can they sustain it? Guys realize they have to be better for the backup and bring it for a game or 2, but that takes energy.

Aside from that, everybody brings it to the next level in the playoffs. I see them playing better in front of Marty in the postseason.

Edited by mouse, 26 March 2012 - 08:16 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:30 PM

I get that guys have played better for the Moose, but can they sustain it? Guys realize they have to be better for the backup and bring it for a game or 2, but that takes energy.

Aside from that, everybody brings it to the next level in the playoffs. I see them playing better in front of Marty in the postseason.


Did the 09-10 playoffs not happen in your dimension?

We only need a game or two from Hedberg in the playoffs. A game to Marty's every two.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:12 PM

Which is why I brought up Schwab, Clemmer, and Danis earlier. They've all posted superior numbers to Brodeur when getting limited starts. I'm not sure which exact factor to point to, but there's something about getting spot duty behind Brodeur that can make unspectacular goalies post otherworldly numbers.


There's the fact that they tend to play like 7 games and luck is a huge factor.

True talent wise it's tough to argue that Brodeur is any different from Hedberg at this point, and Hedberg might be a little better. Still, Hedberg is not going to start, so let's not pretend he will.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

Did the 09-10 playoffs not happen in your dimension?

We only need a game or two from Hedberg in the playoffs. A game to Marty's every two.


That was an anomaly. We had a year of hell from around the Olympics til JL took time off, came back, and we got rid of Langs. I'm not willing to use that as an example.
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