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#81 Devil Dan 56

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:37 PM

Bottom line: Marty's going to play all playoff games, fatigue rather quickly and we'll either barely beat the Panthers or lose.


You can see that, but you can't see a career backup faltering in a seven game playoff series?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 12:16 AM

That's great, but it ignores the fact that Moose played mostly teams that were low seeds or out of the playoffs.


He's beaten Nashville (96 pts), Philly twice (96 pts), Ottawa twice (88 pts), Dallas (87 pts), Florida (87 pts), Los Angeles twice (86 pts), and Washington twice (84 pts). Let's not say he hasn't faced (and beaten) any good teams.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:13 AM

http://www.njdevs.co...ic=119760&st=80


Schwei: Devils’ Two Goalies: One Hot, One Not

Hedberg now has seven shutouts as a New Jersey Devil, tying him with Chris Terreri for the second-most in club history:

· Martin Brodeur 118
· Chris Terreri 7
· Johan Hedberg 7

surprised by this

thought it was a fitting article

Edited by justdo3043, 27 March 2012 - 08:16 AM.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:16 AM

The question at this point isn't is Moose better than Marty. Statistically, he is this year, but with a lower workload, and often against weaker teams. It also isn't can Moose beat good teams. Clearly, sometimes he can, especially when the guys in front of him play well. The question is can Moose win a cup, or even a series against an elite team, and the answer is no. I'm not bashing him. I think he's one of the best backups in hockey, but we do not have a team that can win a cup with a backup. We aren't Boston (well, last year at least) or Vancouver, with a stud backup who will be starting somewhere soon riding the bench. Unfortunately, we're also not the Rags or Nashville with a superstar in net. We have a former superstar who we hope still has enough in the tank.

We have evidence this year (the post ASB stretch) that Marty is still capable of looking like Marty for a few games at a time. We also have proof (the Rags wins especially) that we need that kind of goaltending to beat an elite team. Our d has too many holes -- Larsson's too young, Sal and Volchenkov, good as they've been, are slow enough that elite forwards can beat them, Fayne and Greene are nice players, but far from superstars, and Zid is an offense first guy, though he certainly isn't a disaster in his own end. For some reason, we're not going to win many shootouts. We have some great talent at forward, but a couple of guys (Sykie, Henrique) are coming back to earth, and Zajac isn't ready to play enough minutes to make the difference we'd like him to. Can we score 3 or 4 goals a game? Sometimes, but we always seem to be working our asses off on the forecheck to do it, and against a team like Pittsburgh, who won't let anyone maintain possession, we won't. That means we have to be able to grind and win low scoring games, and unlike in '03, our d can't make it through a whole game without a defensive breakdown.

Therefore, we have to hope for elite goaltending. Is it a prayer? Definitely. Is it a prayer Moose can answer? Definitely not. If we're going to hang our playoff hopes on a goalie, we need to do it on the greatest of all time and hope that he has a couple months of magic left in his old body. Teams have won with less.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:14 AM

He's beaten Nashville (96 pts), Philly twice (96 pts), Ottawa twice (88 pts), Dallas (87 pts), Florida (87 pts), Los Angeles twice (86 pts), and Washington twice (84 pts). Let's not say he hasn't faced (and beaten) any good teams.


I'm aware. And without Nashville and Philly, those are all 7th seed point totals or lower.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:23 AM

Yeah, Moose's GAA would have gone up real fast playing on St. Patty's day or some of the other early season fiascoes Marty got subjected to, like Opening Night.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:33 AM

Yeah, Moose's GAA would have gone up real fast playing on St. Patty's day or some of the other early season fiascoes Marty got subjected to, like Opening Night.


Marty's also played in far more 'easy' games than Moose too
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:00 AM

Marty's also played in far more 'easy' games than Moose too


Which negates the argument that the team plays better for Moose. If Marty's getting easy games, they're playing well in front of him.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:54 PM

Yeah, Moose's GAA would have gone up real fast playing on St. Patty's day or some of the other early season fiascoes Marty got subjected to, like Opening Night.


Plus Marty got pulled in a few games early, further ballooning is GAA.

The reason Moose isn't playing right now is simply because they are getting Marty into playoff rhythm. He's 12-9-2 since the ASG, and was 12-6-1 before the last bad stretch. He is nowhere near as terrible as people want to make it seem.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:56 PM

Plus Marty got pulled in a few games early, further ballooning is GAA.

The reason Moose isn't playing right now is simply because they are getting Marty into playoff rhythm. He's 12-9-2 since the ASG, and was 12-6-1 before the last bad stretch. He is nowhere near as terrible as people want to make it seem.


Well I don't think getting pulled early factors into GAA much, since it's calculated by goals allowed every 60 minutes, not every appearance.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

Well I don't think getting pulled early factors into GAA much, since it's calculated by goals allowed every 60 minutes, not every appearance.


Agreed, but allowing a games-worth of goals in 15 minutes can add up.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:14 PM

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:23 PM

http://www.njdevs.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=119760&st=80


Schwei: Devils’ Two Goalies: One Hot, One Not

Hedberg now has seven shutouts as a New Jersey Devil, tying him with Chris Terreri for the second-most in club history:

· Martin Brodeur 118
· Chris Terreri 7
· Johan Hedberg 7

surprised by this

thought it was a fitting article


Actually, going all the way back to the Scouts and Rockies days:

Marty: 118 SO
Everyone else to ever play goal for the franchise combined: 39 SO

Damn...
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

Actually, going all the way back to the Scouts and Rockies days:

Marty: 118 SO
Everyone else to ever play goal for the franchise combined: 39 SO

Damn...


I have to check but I think Marty has more shutouts than all opposing goalies combined. As in, I think the devils have only been shutout around 110 times total.

*edit* I looked it up. They've been shutout 116 times as the Devils. I'm sure it's over 118 if you include the Rockies and Scouts.

Edited by Devil Dan 56, 28 March 2012 - 10:24 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

I have to check but I think Marty has more shutouts than all opposing goalies combined. As in, I think the devils have only been shutout around 110 times total.

*edit* I looked it up. They've been shutout 116 times as the Devils. I'm sure it's over 118 if you include the Rockies and Scouts.


Oh definitely...and I'm not sure but I think they didn't record their first shutout as a franchise until their fourth season...Scouts and Rockies were pretty dreadful.
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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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