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[Easy Parise]

Ctrl + F "Mantaray"

was disappointed. I even brought popcorn

[Triumph]

To make a terrible analogy, the Alexei Yashin deal was a horrendous trade, one of the worst of all-time; he was then signed to one of the worst contracts of all time.

But the Islanders haven't made the playoffs without Yashin since 1994.

Edited by Triumph, 02 April 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[Pepperkorn]

I didn't think he could or would alter his game to fit in with the Devils, but for the most part, he has. I'll happily dine on crow for that one.

Now I had total faith that he would do his very best to learn and play Devils hockey. He clearly understood something had to be done and was willing to put his complete trust in the Devils. You can't fake that. It was obvious to me that he had a CLEAR hockey objective should the Devils win the bidding war.

He had no objective or path with LA but the money can really easily outweigh a sense of purpose, so I understood why the Devils felt they had to do what they did. And I thought it was a stupid plan Then again I'm the kind that would never shell out one red cent for a Stevens signing and I adore him above all stars of sport, screen and stage.

Edited by Pepperkorn, 02 April 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[Pepperkorn]

To make a terrible analogy, the Alexei Yashin deal was a horrendous trade, one of the worst of all-time; he was then signed to one of the worst contracts of all time.

But the Islanders haven't made the playoffs without Yashin since 1994.

Yeah -- this analogy is begging for a strawman debate Thank goodness Manta isn't here to pull us off topic.

I miss his Odin be Praised days - that Manta was awesome.

[Neb00rs]

please please please can we not turn this into a "Kovy Contract debate" thread?

As far as Manta goes, no one here should be saying anything. FIrst off, so many posters here were down on this team AND said horrible things about Kovy. As someone who fiercely debated Manta many times, I have to say: at least rather than stay safe like others, he boldly stated what he thought. It is NOT fair to say he was negative - the team just wasn't doing what he believed was right and he was giving his honest prediction on what would happen.

[DevsMan84]

please please please can we not turn this into a "Kovy Contract debate" thread?

As far as Manta goes, no one here should be saying anything. FIrst off, so many posters here were down on this team AND said horrible things about Kovy. As someone who fiercely debated Manta many times, I have to say: at least rather than stay safe like others, he boldly stated what he thought. It is NOT fair to say he was negative - the team just wasn't doing what he believed was right and he was giving his honest prediction on what would happen.

And do you know how many people on here have done just that and got flamed or suspended for that?

[aylbert]

And do you know how many people on here have done just that and got flamed or suspended for that?

Who got suspended for stating what they thought respectfully? (ie, not violating board policies)

[devilsfan26]

please please please can we not turn this into a "Kovy Contract debate" thread?

As far as Manta goes, no one here should be saying anything. FIrst off, so many posters here were down on this team AND said horrible things about Kovy. As someone who fiercely debated Manta many times, I have to say: at least rather than stay safe like others, he boldly stated what he thought. It is NOT fair to say he was negative - the team just wasn't doing what he believed was right and he was giving his honest prediction on what would happen.

He boldly stated what he thought and that is fine, but he did it so much and in so many threads about various topics that it became beyond redundant and extremely annoying. It seemed as though we couldn't have a conversation about anything without Manta talking about how bad the Devils are going to be for years to come because of Kovalchuk and his contract.

[Neb00rs]

He boldly stated what he thought and that is fine, but he did it so much and in so many threads about various topics that it became beyond redundant and extremely annoying. It seemed as though we couldn't have a conversation about anything without Manta talking about how bad the Devils are going to be for years to come because of Kovalchuk and his contract.

This is true no doubt, but it doesn't change the fact that every time he did it there were posters who agreed with him who just didn't want to start the argument themselves.

Who got suspended for stating what they thought respectfully? (ie, not violating board policies)

yea, no one has.

Edited by ben00rs, 02 April 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[DevsMan84]

Who got suspended for stating what they thought respectfully? (ie, not violating board policies)

He never said respectfully in his post.

[Neb00rs]

He never said respectfully in his post.

I really don't know how you turned this into a chance to whine.

[NJDevs4978]

I miss his Odin be Praised days - that Manta was awesome.

That version still posts on the football threads That's part of what makes this side of him here so annyoing, he at least shows up there when the Ravens win or lose. He still has it in him, he's just become a Randy Quaid in Major League like caricature here.

He boldly stated what he thought and that is fine, but he did it so much and in so many threads about various topics that it became beyond redundant and extremely annoying. It seemed as though we couldn't have a conversation about anything without Manta talking about how bad the Devils are going to be for years to come because of Kovalchuk and his contract.

This...it was never a matter of what he said, it was how often it got parroted.

[DevsMan84]

I really don't know how you turned this into a chance to whine.

Lol this is coming from the guy who in the big Kovy contract thread cried to the mods to have me banned/suspended for posting a joke post about his contract being rejected. A day or so later it was indeed rejected.

Talk about a guy who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

[Neb00rs]

Lol this is coming from the guy who in the big Kovy contract thread cried to the mods to have me banned/suspended for posting a joke post about his contract being rejected. A day or so later it was indeed rejected.

Talk about a guy who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

What? Ok that is not quite what happened and I was not the only one to be upset. You were also very new to the boards at the time and what you did was post false info. I can't believe you are still bringing that back. What's funny is that I have said many times I like you as a poster but you always come looking to start with someone. I am actually one of the few posters on this board that doesn't have an issue with you. Honestly, there was no need to turn this thread into something about you - nonetheless you did anyways.

You sir do not have the ability t debate without turning it personal.

Edited by ben00rs, 02 April 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[DevsMan84]

What? Ok that is not quite what happened and I was not the only one to be upset. You were also very new to the boards at the time and what you did was post false info. I can't believe you are still bringing that back. What's funny is that I have said many times I like you as a poster but you always come looking to start with someone. I am actually one of the few posters on this board that doesn't have an issue with you. Honestly, there was no need to turn this thread into something about you - nonetheless you did anyways.

You sir do not have the ability t debate without turning it personal.

Personal is my middle name.




Eh I guess in the end it is petty and long ago and I do not want to steer this towards this crap.

You sir are right and I apologize.

[devilsrule33]

This is why there is an issue. Manta was the leader of the anti-Kovalchuk pact. He blamed the entire first half on the Kovalchuk signing. He made it clear that he thought this franchise was taking a major step backwards that would hurt for them years to come. But the main annoyance was the frequency. He'd be the first to say "told you so" and basically posted more about he topic and on the main boards (always about that) more than anyone posted about the Devils and hockey in general.

Then the Devils started off this year better than many thought. He posted infrequently talking about the PK, Henrique, Parise Elias and anyone who was playing well besides Kovalchuk. Then when the Devils took off and Kovalchuk became one of the best second-half players in the league...he completely disappears from the main boards. We are talking about an original member who has posted often throughout the years.

I never thought someone would rather the team struggle than have his points refuted, but I guess that would be him. Just man up..say you might have been wrong like Jerry and we'll all move on. Or is a successful Devils team with a successful Kovy (5th in scoring) not worth talking about?

[Pepperkorn]

Ben sweety rather than wax all big daddy on us - just don't read the thread. The thread is very clearly meant PURELY to annoy. What the hell are you bitching about? Gettin all cranky because we dare to make it hockey relevant. Then defend manta after several already have. Hmehhh whatever... It's a free Internet blab away.

Edited by Pepperkorn, 02 April 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

This is why there is an issue. Manta was the leader of the anti-Kovalchuk pact. He blamed the entire first half on the Kovalchuk signing. He made it clear that he thought this franchise was taking a major step backwards that would hurt for them years to come. But the main annoyance was the frequency. He'd be the first to say "told you so" and basically posted more about he topic and on the main boards (always about that) more than anyone posted about the Devils and hockey in general.

Then the Devils started off this year better than many thought. He posted infrequently talking about the PK, Henrique, Parise Elias and anyone who was playing well besides Kovalchuk. Then when the Devils took off and Kovalchuk became one of the best second-half players in the league...he completely disappears from the main boards. We are talking about an original member who has posted often throughout the years.

I never thought someone would rather the team struggle than have his points refuted, but I guess that would be him. Just man up..say you might have been wrong like Jerry and we'll all move on. Or is a successful Devils team with a successful Kovy (5th in scoring) not worth talking about?

The Devils really didn't start off that well if you think about it. They were an inconsistent and shaky 12-12-1 to start the season, with just half those wins coming in regulation. Their goal differential was pretty poor too IIRC.

I'd like to think Manta will come back eventually. We may not all agree on moves that are made (and pretty much everyone who reads my posts knows I was not in favor of bringing Kovy back), but in the end we all wish for one thing for this team: SUCCESS! I'd like to think he'd like to join in on the playoff threads, the buzz of getting back in...it was only one season, but it felt like five...even though I know they may not go far, I for one am excited as hell to care about postseason hockey again. I'd like to think Manta is too, no matter what.

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[Pepperkorn]

So cute mouse!