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[devilsrule33]

Dubinsky was third man in - end o' story. Doesn't matter there were fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh men in after that.

But, yeah, I'd be pissed if that were a Dev, too.

It's a stupid call. Why don't we throw the third guy out in every scum when someone else jumps in because that happens every single game of the season?

The issue was Dubinsky wasn't even a clear third man in. As he goes to get involved and jump in...it becomes a pile up within half a second. And the thing about the third-man in rule is that I imagine it is there to avoid double team situations or unfair advantage where two guys are fighting or wrestling and someone just comes in and sucker punches you from the side. In this case, Carkner tackles Boyle out of nowhere and just hammers the living sh!t out of him with 20 straight punches. As a teammate, you are supposed to stand and watch Boyle get his ass kicked where he can't even defend himself without doing anything? It wasn't an even fight to begin with. It was a one man ass kicking. Just a sh!tty decision.

Edited by devilsrule33, 15 April 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[Triumph]

It's a stupid call. Why don't we throw the third guy out in every scum when someone else jumps in because that happens every single game of the season?

The issue was Dubinsky wasn't even a clear third man in. As he goes to get involved and jump in...it becomes a pile up within half a second. And the thing about the third-man in rule is that I imagine it is there to avoid double team situations or unfair advantage where two guys are fighting or wrestling and someone just comes in and sucker punches you from the side. In this case, Carkner tackles Boyle out of nowhere and just hammers the living sh!t out of him with 20 straight punches. As a teammate, you are supposed to stand and watch Boyle get his ass kicked where he can't even defend himself without doing anything? It wasn't an even fight to begin with. It was a one man ass kicking. Just a sh!tty decision.

Yes, you are, that's how the rule is written. If someone had come in to break up Boyle and Karlsson in the last game, he might've gotten a third man in penalty. Salvador narrowly avoided a third man in call during the Rangers-Devils brawl but he still got a 10 minute misconduct when his teammate was clearly injured and he was trying to stop the fight.

[devilsrule33]

Yes, you are, that's how the rule is written. If someone had come in to break up Boyle and Karlsson in the last game, he might've gotten a third man in penalty. Salvador narrowly avoided a third man in call during the Rangers-Devils brawl but he still got a 10 minute misconduct when his teammate was clearly injured and he was trying to stop the fight.

I guess Dubinsky should have flagged down a linesman, grabbed him by the hand and escorted him to the Carkner-Boyle altercation to break it up. At that point, maybe Boyle would have been dead.

I know Carkner has a hearing, but it's kind of funny where we debate if this guy should get suspended for this hit or that hit, but no one really thinks twice about a guy jumping someone from behind and throwing punch after to punch to his face.

[Triumph]

I guess Dubinsky should have flagged down a linesman, grabbed him by the hand and escorted him to the Carkner-Boyle altercation to break it up. At that point, maybe Boyle would have been dead.

I know Carkner has a hearing, but it's kind of funny where we debate if this guy should get suspended for this hit or that hit, but no one really thinks twice about a guy jumping someone from behind and throwing punch after to punch to his face.

Maybe it'll make Boyle think twice about going after Karlsson while his team is on the PK and in a spot where the refs are always too gutless to ever call a penalty.

You want to protect your teammate, doesn't matter what the situation is, you get tossed - that's the rule.

And yeah, Carkner should get suspended. But you know that the NHL front office are ex-NHL players and they look favorably on this sort of justice, even still.

Edited by Triumph, 15 April 2012 - 10:11 AM.

[Vic Rattlehead18]

Maybe dubinsky did something in that scrum that we can't see and warrants a roughing penalty. Then they probably both got game misconducts for chirping in the box.

[Sarge18]

Where Dubinski got himself in trouble is that he dropped his gloves and raced into the pile looking like he was going to start throwing, not just to pull Carkner off Boyle. I have to imagine if he keeps his mitts on and doesnt jump into the pile he ends up with a fate more like Salvador.

And again we run into a situation where the players feel like they have to sort out justice because the league is too dumb to do it first. If Boyle was merely penalized for his game 1 antics, I doubt he gets jumped.

Anyway we have 3 hearings today, Hagellin, Carkner, and Shaw. There should be a 4th. How Burns isnt getting one for this chicken wing is beyond me.

[Triumph]

Haha that elbow is way worse than Volchenkov's last year. Wow, what a miss - $2500 lighter, I guess Burns won't be able to get that ivory back scratcher he wanted.

[David Puddy]

Yes, you are, that's how the rule is written. If someone had come in to break up Boyle and Karlsson in the last game, he might've gotten a third man in penalty. Salvador narrowly avoided a third man in call during the Rangers-Devils brawl but he still got a 10 minute misconduct when his teammate was clearly injured and he was trying to stop the fight.

Kerry Fraser said that he would have given Carkner a match penalty, which would mean he wouldn't have to give Dubinsky the third man in. However the rule is pretty clear that a match penalty can only be given in the event of an injury.

This is my problem with the NHL rule book. It is overly prescriptive, and I think it makes the game harder to officiate because it handcuffs the officials in "common sense" situations like this.

[hockey3893498]

the rangers had that game, and probably the series won, before the hagelin elbow. now youve got to wonder if that costs them the series. hagelin could miss a few games and it might have given ottawa a rally cry going home around their beloved retiring captain if he's done from a concussion

everyone and their cousin knew that big stiff boyle was going to have a bullseye on his back after game 1. if carkner gets tossed for a few games, will it hurt them? of course not. It was a clear message sent by ottawa.

[devilsrule33]

Cool ideo from Sens TV from after the game. Would be cool if the Devils did stuff like this...

http://video.senator...nsole?id=172489

[Satans Hockey]

1-0 Pittsburgh, Philly has them right where they want them lol

[Zubie#8]

1-0 Pittsburgh, Philly has them right where they want them lol

This game is wide open already, gonna be good

[Zubie#8]

Fleury is brutal in this series.

[Satans Hockey]

This game is wide open already, gonna be good

and Philly just tied it on an awful shorthanded goal and all hell breaks lose after they score, this is awesome lol

Edited by Satans Hockey, 15 April 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[Zubie#8]

and Philly just tied it on an awful shorthanded goal and all hell breaks lose after they score, this is awesome lol

That bag of popcorn could of stopped that puck...and I am seriously eating popcorn right now haha.

Edited by Zubie#8, 15 April 2012 - 02:37 PM.

[MadDog2020]

I think both teams might do better with empty nets, the goaltending in this series has been AHL quality.

[Zubie#8]

Now a 5 on 3 flyers powerplay I say ten total goals in this one.

Edited by Zubie#8, 15 April 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[Satans Hockey]

3-1 Flyers, this is insane

[Zubie#8]

Where the hell is the defense??

[Steven M.]

I think both teams might do better with empty nets, the goaltending in this series has been AHL quality.

Yet everyone is sucking the collective **** of that series. In my opinion it's been one of the worst so far, maybe some will contest that but I don't really enjoy such sloppy defense.