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#1 GoArmySports

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:21 PM

Edmonton will get the first pick in the 2012 NHL Draft.

This will be the third straight year they pick first.

1. Edmonton
2. Columbus
3. Montreal
4. Islanders
5. Toronto

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:24 PM

Just an awful system. Granted they didn't win it last year, but New Jersey should have gotten 1st overall pick instead of only moving up 4 spots. Last place has a 25% chance of winning the lottery, but still a 50% chance I believe of picking 1st.

Just a little lucky the Oilers won it this year, but this system rewards losing too much like in the Oilers case.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:26 PM

Very interesting what Edmonton will do. Best player available (Yakupov) or need (defenseman)?

Maybe a trade. Who's got a young stud defenseman and other chips? Florida? Gunbranson/Huberdeau for Edmonton's first this year and next?
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:28 PM

Ugh what garbage, Columbus really needed that pick this year.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:35 PM

Just an awful system. Granted they didn't win it last year, but New Jersey should have gotten 1st overall pick instead of only moving up 4 spots. Last place has a 25% chance of winning the lottery, but still a 50% chance I believe of picking 1st.

Just a little lucky the Oilers won it this year, but this system rewards losing too much like in the Oilers case.


Actually think it's the best lottery system. Really, the lottery is there to at least not guarantee a reward for a tanking team. At the same time, it's unfair if a team that was say, the 10th worse, gets lucky with the first pick. Best of both worlds.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:36 PM

Very interesting what Edmonton will do. Best player available (Yakupov) or need (defenseman)?

Maybe a trade. Who's got a young stud defenseman and other chips? Florida? Gunbranson/Huberdeau for Edmonton's first this year and next?


Larsson?

I think Edmonton will have to take Yakupov if they stay put. But yeah, they need to get Dmen somehow, and it's very difficult for Edmonton to sign them.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:38 PM

Larsson?


I thought about that too, but I don't think the Devils have enough other chips that they'd be willing to part with. (Edmonton won't do Yakupov for Larsson straight up).
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:43 PM

I thought about that too, but I don't think the Devils have enough other chips that they'd be willing to part with. (Edmonton won't do Yakupov for Larsson straight up).

This is a joke right? Why would the Devils ever consider trading Larsson?
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

This is a joke right? Why would the Devils ever consider trading Larsson?


I'm not JasonMacIssac or a talent evaluator, but Yakupov could potentially be as good as Malkin, or at least Kovy.

I guess a lot of it depends on how good you think Merrill/Urbom/Gelinas will be.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:51 PM

I'm not JasonMacIssac or a talent evaluator, but Yakupov could potentially be as good as Malkin, or at least Kovy.

I guess a lot of it depends on how good you think Merrill/Urbom/Gelinas will be.

None of them will likely be as good as Larsson. I'd be irate if Lou even considered that. This team needs to build the blue line.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:17 PM

The "Wins" in the thread title should be in quotes. They "won" the award for luckiest loser. Can't wait to hear about what an amazing and well-run franchise they are in 3-4 years when they become Cup favorites, a la Penguins of the mid 2000s.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:27 PM

Actually think it's the best lottery system. Really, the lottery is there to at least not guarantee a reward for a tanking team. At the same time, it's unfair if a team that was say, the 10th worse, gets lucky with the first pick. Best of both worlds.


Why? Why is it unfair that a team that was somewhat competitive and missed the playoffs deserves a chance to for a great player?

But it is fair for a team like the Oilers continue get rewarded for being a horribly-managed franchise?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:34 PM

Why? Why is it unfair that a team that was somewhat competitive and missed the playoffs deserves a chance to for a great player?

But it is fair for a team like the Oilers continue get rewarded for being a horribly-managed franchise?


The whole point of any draft system is to create parity. The NHL's system does that best while not necessarily rewarding a team that intentionally tanks.

At the same time, is it fair that a team that was relatively close to a playoff spot is rewarded with a franchise player, where say, Columbus gets left out in the cold?
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

I'm not JasonMacIssac or a talent evaluator, but Yakupov could potentially be as good as Malkin, or at least Kovy.

I guess a lot of it depends on how good you think Merrill/Urbom/Gelinas will be.


This is a fairly weak draft. When the potential 2nd overall pick is drawing comparisons to Victor Kozlov, that tells you what to expect.

Seeing Larsson being able to play top 4 minutes for much of the season as an 18/19 year old, I don't think there is any chance I would trade him for the 1st overall pick this season. Larsson will no doubt be a first pair defensmen 5 on 5, play first pair PK and could develop into a first pair PP defensmen. When you total that up you have a 25-26 minute defensmen that matches up against top players. When you only have 35 more minutes to worry about it makes things very easy.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:41 PM

This is a fairly weak draft. When the potential 2nd overall pick is drawing comparisons to Victor Kozlov, that tells you what to expect.

Seeing Larsson being able to play top 4 minutes for much of the season as an 18/19 year old, I don't think there is any chance I would trade him for the 1st overall pick this season. Larsson will no doubt be a first pair defensmen 5 on 5, play first pair PK and could develop into a first pair PP defensmen. When you total that up you have a 25-26 minute defensmen.


But what about Yakupov? The players drafted after Crosby (Ryan, Jack Johnson, Poilout, Price, Brule) were either pretty good or busts, but of course, you'd trade virtually anything for Crosby.

Another way to look at it is if Yakupov and Larsson were available for the Devils at 4 last year (not taking age into account) would you take Yakupov or Larsson? If the answer is Yakupov, I think you should make the deal.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

Why? Why is it unfair that a team that was somewhat competitive and missed the playoffs deserves a chance to for a great player?

But it is fair for a team like the Oilers continue get rewarded for being a horribly-managed franchise?

Not rewarding teams that tank or keep screwing up their personnel is something that you can want to have in a draft system. Generally feeding the best talent to faltering franchises is something that you must have in a drafting system. I would be okay with tweeks to the current system that further help to prevent tanking, but if a team is bad (like Edmonton) you need to get them top-level talent or else a prolonged period of irrelevance could set in.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:51 PM

The whole point of any draft system is to create parity. The NHL's system does that best while not necessarily rewarding a team that intentionally tanks.

At the same time, is it fair that a team that was relatively close to a playoff spot is rewarded with a franchise player, where say, Columbus gets left out in the cold?


I think it is fair. The Lightning and Avalanche should have a chance at getting that franchise player and the Jackets shouldn't have a 48.2% chance at getting that player for being so damn awful.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:54 PM

I think it is fair. The Lightning and Avalanche should have a chance at getting that franchise player and the Jackets shouldn't have a 48.2% chance at getting that player for being so damn awful.


Why don't we give the Red Wings a shot at the number 1. They should get a reward for being so well managed over the years.

ADDENDUM: I'll also add that teams like Tampa/Colorado, have a chance of lucking out by winning the lottery, they only can't move all the way up to the top spot. I prefer that to Tampa, after landing Stamkos and Hedman and who made it to the Conference finals last year, getting the number 1 pick for a down year.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:09 PM

But what about Yakupov? The players drafted after Crosby (Ryan, Jack Johnson, Poilout, Price, Brule) were either pretty good or busts, but of course, you'd trade virtually anything for Crosby.

Another way to look at it is if Yakupov and Larsson were available for the Devils at 4 last year (not taking age into account) would you take Yakupov or Larsson? If the answer is Yakupov, I think you should make the deal.

I take Larsson, and I take Larsson with the #1 overall if I had it last year too. Why? Because franchise defenseman, like QB's in the NFL, like elite starting pitching in baseball, are the hardest thing in the NHL to find. They don't hit free agency. You can't generally trade for them. When you have a chance to draft a player of that caliber, you do it and you don't look back. In 3 years, you'll consider it sacreligious to even THINK about trading Adam Larsson.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:10 PM

Why don't we give the Red Wings a shot at the number 1. They should get a reward for being so well managed over the years.


Just because I don't like one extreme...doesn't mean like the other. But I'd be closer to giving the Wings a .2 percent chance at getting one than giving the worst team a 48.2%.

Look at the Predators. They have been punished years for being managed and coached too well by never getting a top pick.

1999: After their first season they drafted 6th missing out on both Sedins.
2000: Nashville drafts 6th missing out on Heatley and Gaborik (Atlanta finishes dead last but the Isles win the lottery...they take Healtey 2nd. Nashville finishes almost 30 points better than Atlanta in their first season and pays the price).
2001: Nashville drafts 12th while the Thrashers win the lottery and take Kovalchuk.
2002 Nasvhille drafts 6th and misses out on Nash, Lethonen and Bouwmeester. Columbus gets Nash while the Thrashers get Lehtonen.

I could go on and on. Nashville has never had a superstar player that has brought fans to the building and yet have been successful the hard way. Their best player ever is Shea Weber, who they got in the 2nd round. The reason...of course...because they have been managed so much better from the start.

I think the NBA method is miles better. Every team that misses the playoffs has a chance. First 3 picks are decided by the lottery.
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