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#41 schneidpants

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

Cory Schneider should be our target in the offseason. Would shore up the goalie situation for the next decade.


My last name is Schneider so it would be a sweet jersey to get :)
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

Brodeur has ALWAYS been like this with the media.

He never takes responsibility for his own mistakes.


Yes he played terrible tonight, and yes his career as the unquestioned #1 is probably over, but this is just not true.

Many times last year he was saying he needed to play better when team struggled in the beginning of the season, and also saying Moose should be playing if Moose was playing better than him. I know everyone is spitting venom and looking to vilify Marty for everything that's gone wrong (and he definitely has been a big part of it) but this lackluster playoff stuff is running throughout the whole team.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:19 PM

Knowing Lou we have better odds of signing this Schneider
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:26 PM

Where are the people who were saying hedberg can't give us a good chance to go deep? He sure as hell can give us just as good a chance, if not better, than brodeur. Moose gives us our best chance.

Edited by devlman, 18 April 2012 - 12:29 AM.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:36 PM

The point is that there are teams in the playoffs who suck like us sometimes - they can still win because their goalie's shut it down.

Edit: it gets better: Brodeur doesn't know why he was pulled: http://blogs.northje.../blogs/fireice/

Brodeur said he was “a little bit surprised” to be pulled at that time.



“I think you don’t expect when you’re not losing the game yet to get pulled, but I don’t know exactly what (DeBoer) was thinking,” he said. “I’m sure there was a reason.”

denial? AND he blames Volch for goal 1 and claims he couldn't see goal 2.

Edited by ben00rs, 17 April 2012 - 11:43 PM.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:43 PM

Marty is my all-time favorite player and one of the best goalies to ever play the game. I idolized him as a kid and still love him. HOWEVER...he played awful tonight, and it's becoming more and more obvious that he just doesn't have it anymore. Was the loss 100% his fault? No, but he certainly played a huge role in blowing the lead.

I disagree with the decision to start him in Game 4. Even in the regular season, I trusted Moose more, and I would love to see him play a full playoff game. If Moose was in net from the start tonight, we win 3-1 or 3-2. I don't think it's very likely that Moose can lead us to the Cup, but I'd put money on the fact that he would get us deeper than Brodeur.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse and mention all of the terrible playoff goals he's given up since 2003, but anyone who denies that Brodeur isn't a weak playoff goalie these days is wearing blinders.

Again...I am a huge Brodeur fan and I appreciate everything he has done for this team over the years, but right now his play (and his attitude) is hurting the team. His post-game interview is awful. He comes off as a whiny prima donna who refuses to man up and take ANY blame. He pins the loss on everybody but himself. Plus he shaved his beard off like a little girl who didn't get her way.

Hedberg, on the other hand? When asked what went wrong on the fourth goal, he simply replies, "The puck went in."

That's what I want to hear...a goalie who can admit his mistake and move on. Man up Marty. You played poorly, just admit it and check your ego.

Edited by JWomp, 17 April 2012 - 11:45 PM.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:49 PM

Brodeur usually shaves it because it becomes an issue with his mask. It's not an underhanded tactic.
As far as Moose saying, "The puck went in"; that's not a mea culpa. He didn't really say anything where he blamed himself.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:53 PM

Brodeur usually shaves it because it becomes an issue with his mask. It's not an underhanded tactic.
As far as Moose saying, "The puck went in"; that's not a mea culpa. He didn't really say anything where he blamed himself.


The point is, Moose didn't make any excuses. Marty's answer would've been something along the lines of "I was screened" or "my defenseman deflected it by me." Moose just owns up to it and moves on.

And Marty has grown facial hair for international tournaments before and it never bothered him with his mask then!

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:05 AM

and he could have easily taken the blame in the locker room after the game to the guys. Not everything that is said in the locker room makes it out to the press.


Elias at least took the ****ing blame for taking the penalty in the first place. Funny how Marty can't do the same when he screwed that goal up from soup to nuts, not controlling another long rebound then letting another shortside goal in. That was Volchenkov's fault how???

And Rowdy, really? Hedberg's goal was the only one of the four that wasn't the goalie's fault. This was a Goldberg from the Mighty Ducks-type awful performance.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:08 AM

and he could have easily taken the blame in the locker room after the game to the guys. Not everything that is said in the locker room makes it out to the press.


So it sounds better when you publicly throw someone else under the bus and privately take the blame? That's a bit cowardly. If anything it would have been better if he publicly took the blame and ripped Volch behind closed doors if he had an issue with him.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:11 AM

"I'm sure there was a reason". Yeah Marty, the reason is because it looked like you had an Ed Belfour cocktail 10 minutes before puck drop.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:12 AM

Elias at least took the ****ing blame for taking the penalty in the first place.


This. And you know sh!t is fvcked when the only player that is actually playing like a star for you is taking blame.

I honestly can't believe Marty did that to Volch.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:15 AM

Well, Volch did suck ass on that play and has sucked ass since they've dropped the puck on that series. I'm still not sure how someone gets behind you there. That was not a good game, the pull was justified. Of course the flip side is that you'll get massive historical overreactions like the OP, as if we should have won 12 cups between 1994 and 2009, but anyway...
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:28 AM

This. And you know sh!t is fvcked when the only player that is actually playing like a star for you is taking blame.

I honestly can't believe Marty did that to Volch.


I honestly can't believe people still think that Marty completely blamed Volchenkov for the first goal. He didn't completely throw himself under the bus like Elias, but he didn't say "Man Volchy really dropped the ball on that one" either. There is no implication of blame. He was just answering the question that was asked of him.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:32 AM

Well, Volch did suck ass on that play and has sucked ass since they've dropped the puck on that series. I'm still not sure how someone gets behind you there. That was not a good game, the pull was justified. Of course the flip side is that you'll get massive historical overreactions like the OP, as if we should have won 12 cups between 1994 and 2009, but anyway...


The point is not whether Marty was right or not but the fact that it wasn't right to do that - what purpose does it serve? And if you watch the video of him saying it, Marty is visible cranky and is on edge and ready to deflect all blame. Something wrong there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1MyO4qmXkc&feature=context&context=G2b69c73FUAAAAAAAFAA


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S66Whxes3bU&feature=g-u-u&context=G2b69c73FUAAAAAAAFAA

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:39 AM

How long have you followed them? He's always been a bad losing interview. Elias says the right thing and then seethes inside.

No different than in 2000 with Boucher.

At least someone is backhandedly wondering why Volch is out there. I dunno what the hell he's playing with but I hope it's not what I think it is. Well, if it was, when he got run in the 3rd, that should be the end of that.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:47 AM

How long have you followed them? He's always been a bad losing interview. Elias says the right thing and then seethes inside.

No different than in 2000 with Boucher.

At least someone is backhandedly wondering why Volch is out there. I dunno what the hell he's playing with but I hope it's not what I think it is. Well, if it was, when he got run in the 3rd, that should be the end of that.


A long time. The issue now is that it is his fault for a lot of the stuff and that makes all the difference. That along with the fact that we haven't made it out of the first round in what 6 years? It's like Marty, you're not the center piece of a dynasty anymore and right now this team needs a lot more out of you. But he is busy blaming Volchenkov and a non-existent screen.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:57 AM

A long time. The issue now is that it is his fault for a lot of the stuff and that makes all the difference. That along with the fact that we haven't made it out of the first round in what 6 years? It's like Marty, you're not the center piece of a dynasty anymore and right now this team needs a lot more out of you. But he is busy blaming Volchenkov and a non-existent screen.


Volch has been out for 9 of the 10 goals against. The third goal was awful and the 1st was a poor decision by someone who does now play the butterfly and shouldn't get cute on those. Volch still fvcked it up, probably because he doesn't even know where he is. Keep in mind he's playing 12 minutes a game and has been out for 9 of 10 goals.

There's more to it than goaltending, the game ended with both backups in and neither starter took a loss. Cats fans would have been complaining about Threeorfour's lack of composure if the game went the other way, and ignored the putrid start they got off to. Devils fans will complain about Marty and then ignore that the game balanced out at 4-3 and then they didn't do a damn thing until about 3:30 was left in the game. They went flat even when the game was 3-0. This was a team sh!tfest.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 02:07 AM

Volch has been out for 9 of the 10 goals against. The third goal was awful and the 1st was a poor decision by someone who does now play the butterfly and shouldn't get cute on those. Volch still fvcked it up, probably because he doesn't even know where he is. Keep in mind he's playing 12 minutes a game and has been out for 9 of 10 goals.

There's more to it than goaltending, the game ended with both backups in and neither starter took a loss. Cats fans would have been complaining about Threeorfour's lack of composure if the game went the other way, and ignored the putrid start they got off to. Devils fans will complain about Marty and then ignore that the game balanced out at 4-3 and then they didn't do a damn thing until about 3:30 was left in the game. They went flat even when the game was 3-0. This was a team sh!tfest.


I don't disagree with you. In fact I think that was well said. My issue again lies in the trivial - the comments.

There is something up with Volchenkov, I've heard some speculate he's injured. Along with that our whole team was pretty bad tonight outside of Patrik Elias. I made a post earlier: it's like they play hard for the first 10 minutes, they give up until they're losing and then semi-wake up for the rest of the game. Not a great way to play hockey but as I've been arguin over and over again; something we've been doing for a while now.

My only question, that no one seems to be able to answer, because they're too busy denying our up and down play, is why the hell we play like this sometimes. i.e. Why does a player like Kovy suck so bad on any given day and at any given time.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 02:15 AM

Did Brodeur look awful tonight ? Yes he did, but honestly I don't think the fault is on him alone.

We stopped playing, stopped giving those punishing checks that really seemed to destabilize this Panther team. We stopped putting energy and started piling up penalties on penalties and the special teams especially the PK were awful, giving too much space for the Panthers to move the puck freely.

They woke up in the middle of the 3rd period when it was already too late.


I agree Brodeur was far from being good, but until this team starts playing 60 minutes with the same level of energy and aggressiveness, the goaltending will be a problem that wont even matter.
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