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#301 hattrick

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:55 PM

This team is a regular season pretender and not built for deep playoff runs :(
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

If you want to scapegoat them, the easiest way to is 1) the PK has been brutal, especially down low and 2) they've played 300 minutes in this series, and outside of Parise's goal in Game 4, all of their goals have come in spurts that probably add up to around 30 minutes out of 300.
Wildly inconsistant offense, it's either a storm of goals or none. Hard to play that way.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:17 PM

Win game 6 and were dead even.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:21 PM

If you want to scapegoat them, the easiest way to is 1) the PK has been brutal, especially down low and 2) they've played 300 minutes in this series, and outside of Parise's goal in Game 4, all of their goals have come in spurts that probably add up to around 30 minutes out of 300.
Wildly inconsistant offense, it's either a storm of goals or none. Hard to play that way.


How has the PK been brutal down low if most of the Panthers' PP goals have not been scored down low?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:33 PM

How has the PK been brutal down low if most of the Panthers' PP goals have not been scored down low?


There's at least 3 that have revolved around bad positioning by Volchenkov on the right side down low. So there's been what, 8? If I can remember 3, Versteeg walking out front, him getting coned after Marty kicked the puck to him, and the one last night stepping up to challenge the pass and whiffing... on all one guy on one side of the defense... I think your "most" claim is about as valid as Marty giving up 7 soft goals. :lol:
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:35 PM

I mean this can be put together pretty easily, Garrison's point bomb, obviously from the point, the walkin shot by Campbell where the entire shape of the PK fell apart that let him shoot clean from the circles on Moose... we got 3 more left?

Edited by maxpower, 22 April 2012 - 04:35 PM.

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#307 Triumph

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:46 PM

There's at least 3 that have revolved around bad positioning by Volchenkov on the right side down low. So there's been what, 8? If I can remember 3, Versteeg walking out front, him getting coned after Marty kicked the puck to him, and the one last night stepping up to challenge the pass and whiffing... on all one guy on one side of the defense... I think your "most" claim is about as valid as Marty giving up 7 soft goals. :lol:


I mean, seriously, that shot by Versteeg is a bad goal to let in. It's not soft, but it's a stop a goalie should make. I don't see how you hang that one on Volchenkov.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:48 PM

I mean, seriously, that shot by Versteeg is a bad goal to let in. It's not soft, but it's a stop a goalie should make. I don't see how you hang that one on Volchenkov.


The one where Versteeg walked in? Volchenckov let him in. If he doesn't stray he can't get in. The other one last night, if so, you're nuts.

Two of the other ones by Weiss were low, but one was on Parise and the other one was a 5 on 3.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:51 PM

Either way, it's moot, the main two reasons they're losing are the PK/PP battle and their offense is either a drought or a hundred year flood. 5 on 5 it's fine, even if they seem kinda flat for the playoffs.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:02 PM

The one where Versteeg walked in? Volchenckov let him in. If he doesn't stray he can't get in. The other one last night, if so, you're nuts.

Two of the other ones by Weiss were low, but one was on Parise and the other one was a 5 on 3.


Yes, the other one last night. That's a perimeter shot, unscreened, he doesn't get over there fast enough.
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#311 maxpower

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:15 PM

Yes, the other one last night. That's a perimeter shot, unscreened, he doesn't get over there fast enough.


It's a bomb. Part of the reason he didn't get over there fast enough. If he cheats to Versteeg and it comes back through Volchenkov or it banks off someone and in, people would be complaining about that too.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

The second goal in Game 1, which was somehow stuffed in.
The third goal in Game 2, which I didn't actually think was soft because Volchenkov screened him but everyone else did so you might as well put that in
At least two of the goals in Game 3, shortside by Bergenheim for the first goal and Weaver's 5 MPH slapshot that somehow Marty couldn't pick up.
And both goals last night - the first one was from the left of the faceoff circle, unscreened and the other one was a clusterfvck.

So that's at least six and I'm not even counting Garrison's goal in Game 4 as a soft goal, which others are. Really five if I was grading fair and not annoyed at Marty. Either way, this series has been hideous by any standard for Marty.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 22 April 2012 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:43 PM

The second goal in Game 1, which was somehow stuffed in.
The third goal in Game 2, which I didn't actually think was soft because Volchenkov screened him but everyone else did so you might as well put that in
At least two of the goals in Game 3, shortside by Bergenheim for the first goal and Weaver's 5 MPH slapshot that somehow Marty couldn't pick up.
And both goals last night - the first one was from the left of the faceoff circle, unscreened and the other one was a clusterfvck.

So that's at least six and I'm not even counting Garrison's goal in Game 4 as a soft goal, which others are. Really five if I was grading fair and not annoyed at Marty. Either way, this series has been hideous by any standard for Marty.

Really, because I'm pretty sure he has a .916 2.32 and 1 so? If you told me Marty had these stats through 5, I'd say we'd be the ones winning
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:17 PM

Really, because I'm pretty sure he has a .916 2.32 and 1 so? If you told me Marty had these stats through 5, I'd say we'd be the ones winning


Florida has not been getting many scoring chances. Brodeur should be better than that - not much better, but better.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:30 PM

The only game you can really fault him is game 3. He was ok in game 2 (although he should've stopped the third) and the team didn't even score yesterday
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:35 PM

Florida has not been getting many scoring chances. Brodeur should be better than that - not much better, but better.


Not when all of their offense is coming on the PP. It's the typical response on here. Granted his numbers looked better than I expected. Goaltending in this series, at worse, is a draw, and I don't think it's even been that. In that case, there is absolutely no reason for us to lose to this team.

Devils give up a goal, Marty's fault.
Devils score a goal, it's awesome. People rush to defend Clemmer for being beat by Steve Bernier in a tight game. Scorers shot I guess, except Steve Bernier doesn't score. Marty gives up a one-timer on the PP that is killed, it's his fault. :lol:

People can find every bad goal we lose on, but suspiciously can't find the bad goals we win on. Who was the MVP for the Devils in 2003? Was it Marty, Nieds, Friesen, or Patrick Lalime?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:42 PM

Not when all of their offense is coming on the PP. It's the typical response on here. Granted his numbers looked better than I expected. Goaltending in this series, at worse, is a draw, and I don't think it's even been that. In that case, there is absolutely no reason for us to lose to this team.

Devils give up a goal, Marty's fault.
Devils score a goal, it's awesome. People rush to defend Clemmer for being beat by Steve Bernier in a tight game. Scorers shot I guess, except Steve Bernier doesn't score. Marty gives up a one-timer on the PP that is killed, it's his fault. :lol:

People can find every bad goal we lose on, but suspiciously can't find the bad goals we win on. Who was the MVP for the Devils in 2003? Was it Marty, Nieds, Friesen, or Patrick Lalime?


2003 was forever ago. It's not relevant to what we're discussing.

Where are the 5 on 5 chances for Florida? Hell, where are the power play chances? It's been largely perimeter shots, or shots where Marty can't make a big stop.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:50 PM

2003 was forever ago. It's not relevant to what we're discussing.

Where are the 5 on 5 chances for Florida? Hell, where are the power play chances? It's been largely perimeter shots, or shots where Marty can't make a big stop.

How about we blame the offense? Literally not one above average chance in a pivotal game 5 or not being able to score in 10 of 15 periods. Marty hasn't been perfect, but he's far from the biggest problem
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:50 PM

2003 was forever ago. It's not relevant to what we're discussing.

Where are the 5 on 5 chances for Florida? Hell, where are the power play chances? It's been largely perimeter shots, or shots where Marty can't make a big stop.


You really need to take another look at these games. The classic NJDevs bias is showing here. I've actually looked at the PP goals in the series, at least the ones I didn't remember, you haven't. Alot of you haven't. Blaming him for the Versteeg goal yesterday is pure idiocy.

He's 1,000 years old and a complimentary player. At this depth in the playoffs against this team, that's fine. Deeper in the pool, if there is a deeper pool when this round is over, it's probably not. There's plenty of other guys who haven't done sh!t in this series, including Parise, who you were earlier fawning about and then backtracked on. Parise has what, 3 points in the series? Marty has 2. Yeah, maybe he's worked hard, but whoop-de-do. Working hard doesn't get it done, doing stuff does. The Rangers are working their asses off and they're still a bad break or a bad goal against Lundqvist away from going home.

Bottom line is alot of the reason they were good this year is the PK, and it's been an utter failure in the playoffs. Their offense comes in extreme fits and starts, and even though they handle 5 on 5 play, they're not scoring nearly enough. They've gotten about as much offense out of their fourth line as they have out of their first.

The only reason they are where they are is their opponent. What has Zubrus done, Sykora, Clarkson, Poni, Henrique, etc, how was Volch giving up a goal virtually every 4 minutes he was on the ice, and not as a bystander, except in the literal sense. Where's the offense from the back, you could go on and on about what's happened in this series.

Trying to melt it down to a goalie who has played decently and hasn't been outplayed, I dunno what to tell you. Just the same old NJ Devs bias.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:55 PM

I don't need to take another look at these games. Parise has been great. The Rangers are working their asses off and getting them handed to them - work doesn't matter when you're sitting in your own zone for 60% of the series like the Rangers.

I agree that Sykora has been terrible and that the 3rd line has been non-existent. The defense, Volchenkov aside, has been incredibly strong 5 on 5. Still, in that critical Game 3, Brodeur was awful, and the Devils could be ahead in this series without that. He's the single most critical player, and with the defense playing as strong as it has 5 on 5 (and I don't think the PK has been that bad - getting all sorts of bad breaks and Brodeur unable to make a single stop on it doesn't help), it sucks to be down in this series.

Edited by Triumph, 22 April 2012 - 06:56 PM.

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