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#41 Quinn01

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:10 PM

Devils winger Ilya Kovalchuk did not speak with the media today. He was, according to a team spokesman, getting therapy.
It is assumed the therapy was physical. There were no further details, other than to say the right winger would join the team at some point as it heads to Philadelphia for Game 2 against the Flyers.

Kovalchuk did not have a shot on goal in Game 1 against the Flyers. Although he had his moments in the first round against the Florida Panthers, it was obvious he was dealing with an injury that could be a leg muscle.

But the second round against the Flyers did not start well. Coach Pete DeBoer was asked how he thought Kovalchuk played.
"I think the answer to that is pretty clear. Pretty obvious," DeBoer said.

"It's never for lack of effort with Kovy. You look around the series and great players go through stretches where things aren't working for them and then everything is working for them. You just have to work your way through it."


Kovy gets treatment for mysterious injury.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:12 PM

Good answer by DeBoer, I don't care what anyone says. The second you admit that Kovalchuk is injured is the second you have to take him out of the lineup: big target bulls-eye on his back pretty much. Not saying he should be playing the rest of the series, but the option is still there.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:14 PM

"It was assumed the therapy was physical"

Haha TG probably said that because I asked him why Kovy would be seeing a psychiatrist to improve his skating
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:17 PM

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:18 PM

Good answer by DeBoer, I don't care what anyone says. The second you admit that Kovalchuk is injured is the second you have to take him out of the lineup: big target bulls-eye on his back pretty much. Not saying he should be playing the rest of the series, but the option is still there.


If we could all tell Kovy was playing hurt, the Flyers could as well. This is only news to fans who -- for some reason -- thought he was just half-assing it out there. Nothing really changes.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

If we could all tell Kovy was playing hurt, the Flyers could as well. This is only news to fans who -- for some reason -- thought he was just half-assing it out there. Nothing really changes.



I agree. I thought it's been obvious since Round 1. But I didn't notice any uncharacteristically physical play against him. Usually you notice some big hits or consistent targeting when a team knows who's got the injury. They go out of their way to hit him. Usually the case, but I didn't really notice it too much.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

If we could all tell Kovy was playing hurt, the Flyers could as well. This is only news to fans who -- for some reason -- thought he was just half-assing it out there. Nothing really changes.


+1

Kovys injury is clear as day. If the injury was the kind that could heal with a week of rest, clearly he would have been rested. Odds are he'll be stuck with whatever is bothering him the remainder of the season. Tough luck for the Devils, and tough luck for him. Unfortunately we have nothing that can replace him, even if he's playing at 50%..

Granted, I do think it would make sense to limit his defensive duties, like the PK, in his current condition.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

lose series, kovalchuk hurt forever, marty retires, devils go bankrupt, parise leaves... :koolaid:


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:27 PM

I don't see how much more they can cut his time - maybe get him down around 18 or 19 minutes a game - but anything more than that, I don't see it happening.


You really can't cut much more than that if he's playing a regular shift, agreed. The coach has to determine whether he's a liability and if he should dress Kovalchuk at all. Hopefully, his therapy helps him not be a liability.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:35 PM

Unfortunately we have nothing that can replace him, even if he's playing at 50%.


I've seen a few people express this, but I'm not sure why. If he's not much of an offensive threat at even strength because of his injury, and he's an average defensive forward to begin with, then he's of little use. I'll take the healthy body.

Maybe he'll be better. He has to be. 50% of Kovalchuk (or whatever percent yesterday was) stinks.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:03 PM

I've seen a few people express this, but I'm not sure why. If he's not much of an offensive threat at even strength because of his injury, and he's an average defensive forward to begin with, then he's of little use. I'll take the healthy body.

Maybe he'll be better. He has to be. 50% of Kovalchuk (or whatever percent yesterday was) stinks.


Because our depth stinks and that's why our fourth line was a joke for most of the season?

Yes, a Kovy who can be at worst a decoy and at best a PP specialist can contribute more than our bench forwards, who wouldn't be getting his icetime anyway - which would lead to overplaying other guys that have already been overplayed as it is this season.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:57 PM

I've seen a few people express this, but I'm not sure why. If he's not much of an offensive threat at even strength because of his injury, and he's an average defensive forward to begin with, then he's of little use. I'll take the healthy body.

Maybe he'll be better. He has to be. 50% of Kovalchuk (or whatever percent yesterday was) stinks.


I tend to agree. I know folks feel that half of Kovy is better than whatever else is out there, but given how badly Kovy is struggling right now I would rather see Tedenby given some limited time, or perhaps Mills (and move someone else to wing). Yes, I admit that these guys are no replacement for Kovy, not by a mile; they aren't even a replacement for a mildly injured Kovy.... The problem is that we don't have Kovy at 100% and it is increasingly apparent that this injury is significant and possibly getting worse. So the real question is who is better: a badly injured and increasingly limited Kovalchuck or a completely healthy Tedenby?

I will go out on a limb and say that giving someone like Tedenby--a player who has show signs of being a capable NHL player--a shot to come in a be a playoff hero, not to mention redeem themselves for their previous regular season failings, could pay big dividends for the team and the player. We need to have faith in our development system. If we don't then we are well and duly screwed. We rarely sign big name free agents and usually avoid big trades for significant assets; we develop our players (and all
too often let them walk for nothing). So if Tedenby is going to be the player we hope we will be I say give him a chance to prove it when his motivation will be primed. If this doesn't do it I think nothing will.

That's my $.02.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:59 AM

An example of how 50% of Kovalchuk is better than whatever else we have is Zajac's goal in Game 1. That goal doesn't happen without Kovy being able to dump in fast and hard around the boards with a simple snap of his wrist. I don't know if anyone else on the team is capable of performing that dump-in even if they had the time and space to wind up for a slapper, let alone a on quick wrister.

It's a simple thing, but it's still important. The shooting and even passing skill is still there. It's the skating that's suffering. A game can be tailored to fit that. The issue is that the Devils are still putting him in situations like the PK where his skating was what made him a threat.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:34 AM

I tend to agree. I know folks feel that half of Kovy is better than whatever else is out there, but given how badly Kovy is struggling right now I would rather see Tedenby given some limited time, or perhaps Mills (and move someone else to wing). Yes, I admit that these guys are no replacement for Kovy, not by a mile; they aren't even a replacement for a mildly injured Kovy.... The problem is that we don't have Kovy at 100% and it is increasingly apparent that this injury is significant and possibly getting worse. So the real question is who is better: a badly injured and increasingly limited Kovalchuck or a completely healthy Tedenby?

I will go out on a limb and say that giving someone like Tedenby--a player who has show signs of being a capable NHL player--a shot to come in a be a playoff hero, not to mention redeem themselves for their previous regular season failings, could pay big dividends for the team and the player. We need to have faith in our development system. If we don't then we are well and duly screwed. We rarely sign big name free agents and usually avoid big trades for significant assets; we develop our players (and all
too often let them walk for nothing). So if Tedenby is going to be the player we hope we will be I say give him a chance to prove it when his motivation will be primed. If this doesn't do it I think nothing will.

That's my $.02.


lol at Tedenby being better than anyone right now, he was awful offensively 'and' defensively this season.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:24 AM

I knew I started this thread for a reason, the guy is clearly BATTLING a very tough, lingering, hampering injury...it is clear as day.

I wish he would just get better already, without him at 100%, our confidence is REALLY lacking...and as is mine as a fan.

Rest this guy, do whatever it takes.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:06 AM

i still think we should play him ovi min's....limited easy min's only and pp time

also the coach has to take some blame here for playing kovi all year like he is a machine
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:15 AM

if Kovy does feel better and obviously he'll play, Im worried because the flyers are the flyers, they will target Kovalchuk and go after him..... if they can totally knock him out of the series what a huge advantage.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:17 AM

yea, we should take a page out of the caps' playbook. play kovie in different time slots to throw off the flyer defense. get him a goal or two in important spots.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

LMFAO at Tedenby being better than anyone right now, he was awful offensively 'and' defensively this season.


Fixed.

WTF were some people watching this year? Tedenby was God-awful this season.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 01 May 2012 - 09:29 AM.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

I have a feeling Kovy may have a big game tonight....... pain killing drugs can do wonders.. lol
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