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#1 AEWHistory

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:51 PM

Okay, I know I will get flamed, so I am donning my flame retardant suit. The fact of the matter is that while the Devs have usually had better luck building from within, and have generally tried to do so, there are some notable exceptions, such as Scott Stevens. I don't think the Giroux and Stevens are the same sort of player, not at all, but they can have the same sort of impact: they are game changers and they are passionate. It could cost us a fortune--up to four 1st rounders--but if it brings us back to advancing far into the playoffs then those first rounders won't be terribly valuable anyway. In any event, come 2014 he is a RFA, so I -think- we can offer him a contract, but I am not sure. The RFA limitations in the NHL are very confusing. So what do you guys think. Seems to me that this becomes a particularly attractive option if we lose Parise.

As a side note, if we offer Giroux a contract I think it would be a win-win. Either we get him or force the Cryers to sign him for Even more money. Either way, works for me..... I would love to snag a major player from a rival for once.

So can we do it? And if so, should we?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:53 PM

If he is a RFA then, then yes we can.

But this is looking way too far into the future, and honestly is not worth discussing.

If you want to discuss how good he is, then yeah. He's a great hockey player. And he's playing the best hockey out of anyone possibly on the planet right now.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:54 PM

Flyers will not let one of the greatest players they have ever had sign somewhere else.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:59 PM

I know it seems like it is too far in the future, but it really isn't. If we are to make a play for someone who will cost what he will want, or another game changer, then that will dictate who we sign and pass on in the next year or two. However, I take your meaning.

As for letting him go or keeping him, I absolutely agree that the Flyers will try to keep him. But they will have the same restrictions as everyone else. In two years the silly mistakes that Lou has made will be off the books and, hopefully the ownsership will be stable. So I think we could offer a cost prohibitive contract. Of course, if it is cost prohibitive for them, it probably will be for us unless we get really creative. This is why I wonder if we would need to carefully lay out how to reconstruct the Devs in the next couple years. Marty will be gone, Zach will either be gone or signed long-term, and so on.

Anyway, that is how I look at things.... Maybe not others.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

There's no way on earth this ever happens. Giroux will get a lifetime contract real soon if the Flyers are smart.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:20 PM

One of those players every team "WOULD TAKE" but it's not gonna happen.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

There's no way on earth this ever happens. Giroux will get a lifetime contract real soon if the Flyers are smart.


I have strong doubts that the age of the mega-long contracts will continue. Look at Cindy Crosby. S/he was dominant one day, spent almost a year out the next, and is now on the cusp of becoming the second coming of Eric Lindros. If Scott Stevens was still playing Crosby would be finished. That can happen to any player, but it is a disaster if it happens to a player with a ten year contract. Otoh, if it is just a short term contract then the flyers would simply be raising his cap number without much gain for themselves. I could be wrong, but I actually don't see this happening.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

please he is good but not that good... stop kissing his ass like the announcers on NBC.... he is having a good playoff year and has the hot hand.... flyers can keep him .
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:52 PM

What happens between the NHL and PA this fall will play a role in determining contracts and sign-ability for Giroux and others in the future. For that and other reasons (like how far in the future this is) it's hard to wrap one's head around this idea of a team like us snapping up Giroux. Also, I would imagine the Flyers would move all possible obstacles to keeping their man. It's cooler when you keep your own guy than when you take somebody else's.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:18 PM

There's no way on earth this ever happens. Giroux will get a lifetime contract real soon if the Flyers are smart.


If Giroux's not a lunkhead, he'll at least insist on a NMC before signing the deal so they can't Jeff Carter him into oblivion.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 29 April 2012 - 10:19 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:21 PM

If Giroux's not a lunkhead, he'll at least insist on a NMC before signing the deal so they can't Jeff Carter him into oblivion.

I can't picture something like that happening with Giroux. He seems like he's a special player.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

If Giroux's not a lunkhead, he'll at least insist on a NMC before signing the deal so they can't Jeff Carter him into oblivion.


My understanding is you can't get a NTC or NMC for your RFA years. This is why Carter and Richards were both able to be moved right before their NTCs kicked in.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:40 AM

I'd wager Giroux signs a contract before July 1st..
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:57 AM

If we had Giroux we probably wouldnt utilize his talents correctly or he'd become an above average player at best. Don't waste the money. Just get more role players who fit the system and keep chuggung along....
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

i'm sure they will sign him next season.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:22 AM

Giroux will be a minor league player in few years. Haha.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:07 AM

I'd wager Giroux signs a contract before July 1st..


There is no way the Flyers let his contract status reach RFA/UFA. They will extend his contract way before then. That said the CBA ends this September so I don't expect anyone to sign anyone long term until GM's know what the new rules are.

I'm still scratching my head as to why the NHL and NHLPA decided that the current CBA expires in September instead of June 30th of this year. So basically this summer is going to be confusing as hell. Guys signed on July 1st could have contracts that COULD be tossed out when a new CBA goes into place.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

There is no way the Flyers let his contract status reach RFA/UFA. They will extend his contract way before then. That said the CBA ends this September so I don't expect anyone to sign anyone long term until GM's know what the new rules are.

I'm still scratching my head as to why the NHL and NHLPA decided that the current CBA expires in September instead of June 30th of this year. So basically this summer is going to be confusing as hell. Guys signed on July 1st could have contracts that COULD be tossed out when a new CBA goes into place.


It's in neither side's interest to toss out signed contracts - that would quickly become a giant bone of contention.

I expect Crosby to be signed to a very long term deal this summer, among other players.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

Offersheets are rare enough to the point that there's almost an unwritten rule that you don't do it, unless it's clear that the current team doesn't have the means to re-sign (think Niemi with Chicago). There are exceptions of course, but generally it isn't done.

Don't get me wrong, I think Giroux is good enough that he would be worth the four first rounders you would have to give up (assuming that the new CBA doesn't alter the current RFA rules) especially if you're confident that all of those picks will be below number 15. It's a moot point though, since the Flyers would undoubtedly match anything any other team offers him.

I would also note that there weren't any teams chomping at the bit to give an offer sheet to Stamkos.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

It's in neither side's interest to toss out signed contracts - that would quickly become a giant bone of contention.

I expect Crosby to be signed to a very long term deal this summer, among other players.


My point is this summer is going to be a very very weird summer because GM's have no idea what the new rules will look like after the new CBA is signed.
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