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[Matteau#32]

I thought it was cute when you said the Rangers deserved to win Games 1 & 3, although it is not even close to being true.

Uhm, how could they not deserve to win when they didn't surrender any goals?

marty is better, henrik doesn't have sh!t to show for his one good season.

In the league 7 years and on his 5th or 6th Vezina nom. But you are right, only 1 good season. Sather calls Lamoriello and offers Lundqvist for Marty straight up, are you saying Louie turns him down?

[DevsMan84]

Uhm, how could they not deserve to win when they didn't surrender any goals?


In the league 7 years and on his 5th or 6th Vezina nom. But you are right, only 1 good season. Sather calls Lamoriello and offers Lundqvist for Marty straight up, are you saying Louie turns him down?

Yup and nominations mean sh!t if you don't actually win it. At least Brodeur in his prime had to compete with Roy, Hasek and Belfour. All Henrik has to compete with in his time in the NHL (since 2005) is Jeckyll and Hyde Luongo, basketcase sieve Bryz, overrated Rinne, and Brodeur who is in the twilight of his career and yet still won 2 Vezinas in the 7 years that Henrik has played.

When Lundqvist has won at least half of what Marty has won then we might have an actual conversation.

[Jimmy Leeds]

In the league 7 years and on his 5th or 6th Vezina nom. But you are right, only 1 good season. Sather calls Lamoriello and offers Lundqvist for Marty straight up, are you saying Louie turns him down?

Of course he makes the deal.........hypothetically.

Wonder if the Princess will be playing at Marty's level 13 years from now?

No one disputes he is good, but Rag fans practically claim he's the greatest that ever strapped on the pads........or in his case, the refrigerator doors (stolen)

[abripper339]

sicks pads bro.. could they get any bigger?

[mouse]

Greatest ever and greatest right now are 2 different things. We can talk about pad size all we want (it's bull, we know it), but the best goalie in the world is the Queen. The Devils clearly have a better team, though, and Marty's poise in big spots has been huge since game 3 in Florida. Do I make the trade? Yeah. Do I have a problem with riding Marty as far as he can go? Hell fvcking no. There's a reason he's either the G.O.A.T. or number 2 to Roy. Ahead of Hasek.

[Matteau#32]

Of course he makes the deal.........hypothetically.

Wonder if the Princess will be playing at Marty's level 13 years from now?

No one disputes he is good, but Rag fans practically claim he's the greatest that ever strapped on the pads........or in his case, the refrigerator doors (stolen)

yes, many rangers fans do. But, those are also the same fans who this morning are saying he is terrible for not getting another shutout last night. Point is, Marty is not better than Lundqvist, not anymore.

[Matteau#32]

Greatest ever and greatest right now are 2 different things. We can talk about pad size all we want (it's bull, we know it), but the best goalie in the world is the Queen. The Devils clearly have a better team, though, and Marty's poise in big spots has been huge since game 3 in Florida. Do I make the trade? Yeah. Do I have a problem with riding Marty as far as he can go? Hell fvcking no. There's a reason he's either the G.O.A.T. or number 2 to Roy. Ahead of Hasek.

I have to disagree with that, but that is a horse of a different color. Neither are ahead of Hasek, Tretiak, or Dryden (although what I saw of Dryden or Tretiak in their prime is limited to stuff on NHL Network and I guess in part from "folk lore".

[Jimmy Leeds]

Sorry, no bias, but definitely ahead of Hasek in his body of work.

Never saw Tretiak or Dryden........though I may have seen Dryden when my father had Flyers season tickets in the 70's and I was a young Leeds

[mouse]

My x-factor for Marty is his ability to make his teammates better. Hasek didn't even know guys names. Meanwhile, in the years after the lockout, Marty half coached kids and scrubs into a functional defense. I know he's not perfect --throwing Volch under the bus in the Florida series wasn't cool -- but throughout his career, he's been a tremendous teammate. Throw in his ability to handle the puck, and you have a special player.

I put Roy ahead of him, despite Roy's personality because of 2001. I know wins and losses are team efforts, but an old Roy summoned just enough to win, Marty in his prime had a couple of stinkers.

[ThreeCups]

Of course he makes the deal.........hypothetically.

Wonder if the Princess will be playing at Marty's level 13 years from now?

No one disputes he is good, but Rag fans practically claim he's the greatest that ever strapped on the pads........or in his case, the refrigerator doors (stolen)

I would like to see how Hank plays in his older age as well....

With that being said, he is a premier goaltender NOW...but he isn't exactly a young pup either

Marty won his first Cup at 23, and his second at 28...

[aylbert]

Point is, Marty is not better than Lundqvist, not anymore.

Lundqvist is younger and better than Brodeur right now... but Brodeur isn't a scrub either right now.
Lundqvist is going to need to post shutouts to beat the Devils (or so it seems)... the Devs seem to control most of these games, but control doesnt mean getting the goals you need to win.

Honestly, if I'm neutral, I want my horse to be the Devils in this race. They seem to be playing the more complete game (to this point)... and the Rangers have been bailed out by Lundqvist. If your goalie is Byzgalov or any other lower caliber, but still decent NHL goalie, this series was a sweep for the Devils.

If the Rangers win this series, it's because of Lundqvist. It's silly to say he sucks, or that it is all pads... but I still hate him as a Devils fan.

[squishyx]

Greatest ever and greatest right now are 2 different things. We can talk about pad size all we want (it's bull, we know it), but the best goalie in the world is the Queen. The Devils clearly have a better team, though, and Marty's poise in big spots has been huge since game 3 in Florida. Do I make the trade? Yeah. Do I have a problem with riding Marty as far as he can go? Hell fvcking no. There's a reason he's either the G.O.A.T. or number 2 to Roy. Ahead of Hasek.

If we are playing the "here and now" game I would take Smith or Quick over Lundqvist any day of the week.

[Matteau#32]

Hasek never really had a lot of talent around him. Never had a Stevens, Niedermayer, White (when he was younger), even a Daneyko. He had scrappy forwards and Satan.

[squishyx]

I thought the "Marty's Better" chant was cute. Although it is not even close to being true.

He was better last night when they were chanting it.

[Matteau#32]

Lundqvist is younger and better than Brodeur right now... but Brodeur isn't a scrub either right now.
Lundqvist is going to need to post shutouts to beat the Devils (or so it seems)... the Devs seem to control most of these games, but control doesnt mean getting the goals you need to win.

Honestly, if I'm neutral, I want my horse to be the Devils in this race. They seem to be playing the more complete game (to this point)... and the Rangers have been bailed out by Lundqvist. If your goalie is Byzgalov or any other lower caliber, but still decent NHL goalie, this series was a sweep for the Devils.

If the Rangers win this series, it's because of Lundqvist. It's silly to say he sucks, or that it is all pads... but I still hate him as a Devils fan.

If their goalie was Bryzgalov, they wouldn't be playing this style. They play the style they do because that is what is going to give them the best chance to win. They have a great goalie, a few highly skilled forwards in Richards, Gaborik, Kreider, a good d-core, forwards who will sell out on defense, and overall guys who have bought into this system. If Lundqvist wasn't as good as he is, the system wouldn't work.

[Marshall]

Wow, way to derail a thread. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Matteau.

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

The NHL introduced a rule to limit Martys capacity and performance. Until someone else is penalised in a similar way the argument for Marty is to strong combind with the rest of his CV.

[Matteau#32]

The NHL introduced a rule to limit Martys capacity and performance. Until someone else is penalised in a similar way the argument for Marty is to strong combind with the rest of his CV.

Which I said at the time was dumb. My belief has always been let the goalies go play the puck wherever, but let them be hit if they were out of their crease or not playing a shot. I don't think you would actually see goalies get lit up the way the powers that be believe it would happen. There would a be respect factor, for the same reason guys won't deliberately shoot at an opponent's head when they go down to block a shot. Would goalies get hit? Of course, but it wouldn't be open season. Players would be leery of their own goaltender getting run as retribution.

[Pepperkorn]

Hasek never really had a lot of talent around him. Never had a Stevens, Niedermayer, White (when he was younger), even a Daneyko. He had scrappy forwards and Satan.

So by this logic Lundqvist isn't so good then - this taken with your about how the Rangers need to play this style to win -- the shot blocking style is the thing....

I also think Richards is your only shooter who can actually be counted on to hit the net consistently.


But I've got to honest here.

No doubt Lundqvist is a nice solid goalie. Marty in his prime is better. It's a good match up. I like Marty's attitude and style of communication WAY better. But sh!t with Tortorella as coach who gives a chit about any one players attitude. and WITHOUT Torts my gosh... the Rangers are just so far off the hockey path it is too laugh!

So all in all -- I'm really happy for Rangers fans (and the NHL) that they finally have a solid franchise player and a coach who understands hockey. But they are no Lou Lams Devils. Rangers situation is very tenuous and you should enjoy it while you've got it. You don't have to polish a turd for once probably in your entire (hockey fan) life time dude!!! You've got a little something going and I'm actually pretty happy for you -- and myself because I don't have to watch the crap MSG is usually serving.

Edited by Pepperkorn, 22 May 2012 - 09:11 AM.

[squishyx]

Which I said at the time was dumb. My belief has always been let the goalies go play the puck wherever, but let them be hit if they were out of their crease or not playing a shot. I don't think you would actually see goalies get lit up the way the powers that be believe it would happen. There would a be respect factor, for the same reason guys won't deliberately shoot at an opponent's head when they go down to block a shot. Would goalies get hit? Of course, but it wouldn't be open season. Players would be leery of their own goaltender getting run as retribution.

Are you kidding me? How naive are you? Every single time a game gets out of hand, or a series is tight some goon is going to run full speed at a goalie. Hell your player socked marty while he was in his crease, after a whistle! What do you think he would have done if he actually had a license to go further?