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#21 justdo3043

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

in the here and now i....thought Heeeeenriiiiik looked rattled last night....parise's rebound shouldve been held....salvador's shoot was weak and at ice lvl despite the players in front

if i was a ranger fan i would be worried
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:19 AM

:rolleyes: Are you kidding me? How naive are you? Every single time a game gets out of hand, or a series is tight some goon is going to run full speed at a goalie. Hell your player socked marty while he was in his crease, after a whistle! What do you think he would have done if he actually had a license to go further?

No it won't. But, I can understand your concern as we do live in an age of over-reaction. Rupp gave Marty a shot which was no worse than what Kovalchuck did to Callahan. Again, I said when they are out of the net playing the puck. I do not mean a play where they are just outside their crease and they are freezing a puck. Meant more so when they go skating after a puck to play it to their defensemen.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:22 AM

in the here and now i....thought Heeeeenriiiiik looked rattled last night....parise's rebound shouldve been held....salvador's shoot was weak and at ice lvl despite the players in front

if i was a ranger fan i would be worried

The Salvador shot he just didnt see until it was directly in front of him. Salvador just got it through, a seeing-eye shot as Olcyzk (I think) kept saying last night. The Parise shot? Lundqvist does tend to give up rebounds. The difference is the rangers skaters have been great all year at controlling the rebounds and/or tying up opponents so they can't get to rebounds. On that play, it just didn't happen. Not worried. Has been this teams M.O. all year and especially this play-offs.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

:rolleyes: Are you kidding me? How naive are you? Every single time a game gets out of hand, or a series is tight some goon is going to run full speed at a goalie. Hell your player socked marty while he was in his crease, after a whistle! What do you think he would have done if he actually had a license to go further?



That was the point squish -- he was making a veiled threat -- not a serious post. The board was saying head hunt and he's saying we might just take out your goalie then....

I agree though, he seems to have missed the fact that Tortorella felt that was necessary even without the Devils head hunting. Scoring was enough for the Rangs to have to resort to cheap shots.

But what Matteau is saying is: If you win you deserve it. I'm sure he never posted once about "The Trap" being for sh!t. I'm sure he's never felt the Rangers turned in a near perfect game only to be beaten by a lucky bounce.

Seriously -- I think what you mean to say is "Deserves got nothin' to o with it" A win is a win and who gives a sh!t about deserves? After last nights display you just can't call some morality card here. Rags are in it to win it. Own the philosophy or guys like Rupp will embarrass you every time.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

Rupp gave Marty a shot which was no worse than what Kovalchuck did to Callahan.


Goalies are always off limits. Doesn't matter who it is, you don't sucker a goalie, nevermind an unsuspecting player away from the puck...after the whistle is blown to boot.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:27 AM

So by this logic Lundqvist isn't so good then - this taken with your about how the Rangers need to play this style to win -- the shot blocking style is the thing....

I also think Richards is your only shooter who can actually be counted on to hit the net consistently.


But I've got to honest here.

No doubt Lundqvist is a nice solid goalie. Marty in his prime is better. It's a good match up. I like Marty's attitude and style of communication WAY better. But sh!t with Tortorella as coach who gives a chit about any one players attitude. and WITHOUT Torts :blink: my gosh... the Rangers are just so far off the hockey path it is too laugh!

So all in all -- I'm really happy for Rangers fans (and the NHL) that they finally have a solid franchise player and a coach who understands hockey. But they are no Lou Lams Devils. Rangers situation is very tenuous and you should enjoy it while you've got it. You don't have to polish a turd for once probably in your entire (hockey fan) life time dude!!! You've got a little something going and I'm actually pretty happy for you -- and myself because I don't have to watch the crap MSG is usually serving.

No, because he was a 4 or 5-time vezina finalist before this system. I have been a rangers fan since 1984ish, so have seen some good teams and some lousy teams. Rangers have a good young core and are going to get better. They are the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the league and for once their young players are actually good. McDonagh and Hagelin are 22. Staal is 23 or 24, Girardi, off the top of my head, i think is 26. Kreider just turned 21. Cally and Dubi are 25 or 26. Sauer (hopefully he can come back) is young. Richards is only 31 and Gaborik is 31 (i think). Lundqvist is 30, but doesnt have as much mileage as your typical 30-year old as he didnt come to North America until he was 24, from 18-24 he was playing those shorter Eurpean seasons.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:28 AM

No it won't. But, I can understand your concern as we do live in an age of over-reaction. Rupp gave Marty a shot which was no worse than what Kovalchuck did to Callahan. Again, I said when they are out of the net playing the puck. I do not mean a play where they are just outside their crease and they are freezing a puck. Meant more so when they go skating after a puck to play it to their defensemen.

Kovy and Cally gave as good as they each got, what's your excuse for Rupp? Marty hurt him with his words so he deserved to get punched?

And good, I was worried that you were going to come up with a vague and shades of gray definition of when a goalie is fair game, but you have made it clear with this "just outside the crease but not too far outside" or "when they go skating". That would never be subject to interpretation or abuse.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

If their goalie was Bryzgalov, they wouldn't be playing this style.

You'd be playing even more defense? How is that possible?
Or do you mean run and gun and hope to score the 7th goal in a 7-6 affair?



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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:31 AM

Goalies are always off limits. Doesn't matter who it is, you don't sucker a goalie, nevermind an unsuspecting player away from the puck...after the whistle is blown to boot.

I still haven't seen it. Went to that silly viewing party at MSG(had to be in city til about 7:30 last night, so figured I'd check it out rather than miss the first period). After the Parise goal, I took off. The Rupp incident happened while I was walking to my car.

You'd be playing even more defense? How is that possible?
Or do you mean run and gun and hope to score the 7th goal in a 7-6 affair?

the latter. They would have to build a team like what the Flyers/Penguins have and try to outscore everyone. Of course, Bryz was at one time good, so it could be the Flyers that have made him bad. Wouldn't be the first time a goalie was done in by the city of Philadelphia.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:31 AM

No, because he was a 4 or 5-time vezina finalist before this system. I have been a rangers fan since 1984ish, so have seen some good teams and some lousy teams. Rangers have a good young core and are going to get better. They are the 3rd or 4th youngest team in the league and for once their young players are actually good. McDonagh and Hagelin are 22. Staal is 23 or 24, Girardi, off the top of my head, i think is 26. Kreider just turned 21. Cally and Dubi are 25 or 26. Sauer (hopefully he can come back) is young. Richards is only 31 and Gaborik is 31 (i think). Lundqvist is 30, but doesnt have as much mileage as your typical 30-year old as he didnt come to North America until he was 24, from 18-24 he was playing those shorter Eurpean seasons.



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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:33 AM

I still haven't seen it. Went to that silly viewing party at MSG(had to be in city til about 7:30 last night, so figured I'd check it out rather than miss the first period). After the Parise goal, I took off. The Rupp incident happened while I was walking to my car.


Rupp gave Marty a shot which was no worse than what Kovalchuck did to Callahan.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:34 AM

Rupp is a no talent dick who is still bitter with the Devils for cutting his terrible ass.

And he's the perfect cypher for a John Tortorella team: a combination of no offensive ability andl bush league tactics.

Edited to add: The NHL should punish the Rangers for Rupp's sucker punch by making him play on Wedmesday. More minutes, if at all possible.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:34 AM

Kovy and Cally gave as good as they each got, what's your excuse for Rupp? Marty hurt him with his words so he deserved to get punched?

And good, I was worried that you were going to come up with a vague and shades of gray definition of when a goalie is fair game, but you have made it clear with this "just outside the crease but not too far outside" or "when they go skating". That would never be subject to interpretation or abuse.

Basically, puck is dumped in and the goalie goes to the corner to play it. MOST of the time, he can get it to his defenseman without an opponent. Sometimes the opponent is able to get to the goalie and try to play the puck or knock the puck off the goalies stick. Well, if he is out in the corner, he should be able to get hit, just like any other player. Would make them be more careful about when to go out. If they were to ever do it, the league would have to put out a video of plays to show when it is ok. NFL and NCAA do it all the time with things like roughing the QB, hitting a defenseless receiver.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:36 AM

marty is not only a goalie but a 3rd D-man behind the net. he has consistantly thwarted the forecheck BEFORE IT HAPPENS. he has his brain cramps like any quality defenseman, but he's typically cool as a cucumber even with two forwards bearing down on him. these 3 series have really spotlighted his talents
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:37 AM

I still haven't seen it. Went to that silly viewing party at MSG(had to be in city til about 7:30 last night, so figured I'd check it out rather than miss the first period). After the Parise goal, I took off. The Rupp incident happened while I was walking to my car.

So I guess this...

Rupp gave Marty a shot which was no worse than what Kovalchuck did to Callahan.

was you just talking out of your ass then?

Here: link

Now you have seen it. Let me know how ok you are with Clarkson taking that kind of swing at your goalie.

Edited by squishyx, 22 May 2012 - 09:37 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:38 AM

Ban this fvcking Matteau#32 guy. What is a Rags worshipper doing in devils fan forum? Is he a secret admirer of Devils or what? Defend your territory guys. Just kick him out.

haha, too funny. Here we go again, but this time the guy only has 2 posts. This obviously HAS to be someone's dual ID. This clown even pm'd me.

So I guess this...

was you just talking out of your ass then?

Here: link

Now you have seen it. Let me know how ok you are with Clarkson taking that kind of swing at your goalie.

can't watch. you tube blocked.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:41 AM

...was you just talking out of your ass then?


Yes. The answer is yes.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:41 AM

Ban this fvcking Matteau#32 guy. What is a Rags worshipper doing in devils fan forum? Is he a secret admirer of Devils or what? Defend your territory guys. Just kick him out.



Are joking? I'm guessing you're Rangers fan yourself, trying to make the board look bad. <_<

This board has a really good time discussing HOCKEY with fans all over the league. That's why it's called HELL. It was named that because EVERYONE is allowed to post here. We used to have a nancy Devils only board for people who didn't want any to hear any dissension in the ranks. It was such dagnab boring board it got axed.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:43 AM

Basically, puck is dumped in and the goalie goes to the corner to play it. MOST of the time, he can get it to his defenseman without an opponent. Sometimes the opponent is able to get to the goalie and try to play the puck or knock the puck off the goalies stick. Well, if he is out in the corner, he should be able to get hit, just like any other player. Would make them be more careful about when to go out. If they were to ever do it, the league would have to put out a video of plays to show when it is ok. NFL and NCAA do it all the time with things like roughing the QB, hitting a defenseless receiver.

Those are players who take hits on a regular basis and wear the appropriate equipment. And in case you have been living under a rock for the last 10 years the NFL has been going extra miles to protect quarterbacks, kickers and defenseless receivers from the hits you are talking about because it's bad for the player and bad for the game when they get knocked out for a season.

Goalies already need to be careful, they are vacating their net. That's the risk, giving up an empty net goal to a strong forechecking team if you are sloppy. You don't need to paint giant red target symbols on them to have some kind of weird punishment to deter them from doing so.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:48 AM

How can anyone not think I'm hysterical? In threads like these I feel like I'm stroking myself -- I guess 'cause I am! I had the most classic exchange with Matteau and it gets lost in the shuffle. And with that I'll go back to work.. err -- rather I will resume my labours with an improved opinion of myself :giggle:

You know what Matteau bitch? You are a secret admirer. Like other Rags fans, you envy Devils' accomplishments over your pathetic team for 30 years and you act like you hate devils but actually, deep down you like them. Maybe, you even hate your loser gay team because you know Rangers are one of the most hated, if not the most, NHL franchises unlike Devils. Go post here and masturbate while replying devils fans in this forum with your bullsh!t. I am not gonna even respond to you again. I thought that this forum is a classy and quality Devils forum where I would like to read opinions of other Devils fans like me but I think I am wrong. Wherever I go, these stupid rags fans appear even here. Just show your quality and ban this guy. He is ENEMY...



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