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#21 Neb00rs

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:04 AM

Let's relax guys. It sure looks like Bernier embellished. The point is we don't do it any more than the average team and certainly not as much as "some" teams. We may even do it less than the average. As Devils fans we freak out with things like this because we have a morality complex in which we believe we are classier than other teams and can't accept it when we do something slightly dishonest. The OP must not watch a lot of hockey or falls into the former category if he thought this needed to be posted now, like it's some scandal ("an utter disgrace to hockey") - this happens every game, even with us. It's something you have to do a little in today's game. The only way to get rid of it, is to let the refs review everything and that's a whole other debate. Get over it, this embellishment is not that bad.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:11 AM

Let's relax guys. It sure looks like Bernier embellished. The point is we don't do it any more than the average team and certainly not as much as "some" teams. We may even do it less than the average. As Devils fans we freak out with things like this because we have a morality complex in which we believe we are classier than other teams and can't accept it when we do something slightly dishonest. The OP must not watch a lot of hockey or falls into the former category if he thought this needed to be posted now, like it's some scandal ("an utter disgrace to hockey") - this happens every game, even with us. It's something you have to do a little in today's game. The only way to get rid of it, is to let the refs review everything and that's a whole other debate. Get over it, this embellishment is not that bad.

2nd this! not an utter disgrace considering the rangers and flyers do it on a consistant basis. and as far as Im concerned the wack to zajac's wrist CLEARLY evened it out. so its REALLY A MOOT POINT. and yes the stick made contact imo based on the HD slo-mo of my remote. so by definition its a high stick

as far as clarkson, all of the above lol. he DOES get fouled but the refs just laugh it off because he does fall every 20 seconds, is always looking for the call, and does embellish

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:32 AM

I think the one replay shows Bernier does get hit with the stick and then it clips his visor. Something with an edge, like a hockey stick, just getting you can hurt more than a big whack, in the same way a paper cut hurts more than a medium punch to the arm.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:37 AM

I'm with the original poster. I don't like the acting job, and am not interested in comparing it to other infractions to justify it.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:50 AM

I dont like it... Im glad the devils doesnt have too much divers and thats why eventho hes scoring a lot this year that i dont like clarkson. I find that our guys stay down a lot to get penalties and i dont like it either. I guess torts was a little right about that, sad to say
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:53 AM

I dont like it... Im glad the devils doesnt have too much divers and thats why eventho hes scoring a lot this year that i dont like clarkson. I find that our guys stay down a lot to get penalties and i dont like it either. I guess torts was a little right about that, sad to say


Torts was right? You mean the guy who accused us of embellishing and the next game had his own player penalized for embellishing?
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:22 PM

Torts was right? You mean the guy who accused us of embellishing and the next game had his own player penalized for embellishing?


haha yeah im talking about that a$$hole... and specifically about "that thing he said"

but to be honest guys like Clarkson, Zubrus, Elias when they are taken down usually stay down looking at the refs hoping to get a penalty and its driving me nuts

im playing soccer and OF COURSE we're getting accused of diving and acting all the time and i gotta say its true that most players does BUT im captain of my senior team and personally you have to clip me really hard for me to stay down. And i'm telling my guys to do the same and to get up and play.

Nothing worst than a guy staying down in the offensive zone hoping for a penalty not backchecking while the other team is attacking with an odd man rush and score.

just get up and play
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:10 PM

Seems like not too many here actually play hockey or have been in a similar situation.

When a stick comes up that close to your face, that's an instinct reaction. He reflexes like he was hit but afterwards he doesn't fall to the ice in agony and try to sell it. He doesn't dive. Instead, he goes to the bench to get checked out. You can even see him checking his hand; checking to see what the damage was. What is the problem with this call? A reaction to a stick to the face is only justified if there's blood spewing all over the ice?


Beat me to the punch here. If you're not expecting a stick to be about 1 1/2" from your face and all of a sudden there it is, you're natural reaction is to attempt to avoid it poking your eye out.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:19 PM

When I played I "dove" more when I hadn't been hit than when I had. When you see a stick or elbow coming to your face, you jump fast to get out of the way. When you get hit hard, you brace for impact and get back up. I always got up fast, but the "dive" is a product of seeing something coming towards you, not the actual contact.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

I'm with the original poster. I don't like the acting job, and am not interested in comparing it to other infractions to justify it.

Comparing it to other infractions? It is done by every team, in some way, almost every game.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 03:36 PM

Only problem with your thesis is that he got hit in the helmet/visor with the stick and it was clear as day on one of the replays.


this. and then the commentators, "Oh that wasn't even close"

it's was obvious.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 04:58 PM

Embellishing is not new to this game. Things happen throughout the course of games. Everyone is out there to win for their team. You win some you lose some... How many times have the Devils or any other team for that matter lost calls because officials don't want to call it. Zubrus got cut with a high stick the other night and we didn't get a call. You get pissed for a little bit and then you get over it. I wouldn't say that Bernier is a cheap player. This is the only incident that I can recollect of him since he's been with us. In fact, he's been awesome for us. You wanna discredit a guy because he was trying to help his team?
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:05 PM

I'm still not sure he 'dove'. This isn't Carcillo getting hit in the stomach and claiming to have been high sticked. It sure looked like he got hit in the helmet with the stick.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:09 PM

Embellishing is not new to this game. Things happen throughout the course of games. Everyone is out there to win for their team. You win some you lose some... How many times have the Devils or any other team for that matter lost calls because officials don't want to call it. Zubrus got cut with a high stick the other night and we didn't get a call. You get pissed for a little bit and then you get over it. I wouldn't say that Bernier is a cheap player. This is the only incident that I can recollect of him since he's been with us. In fact, he's been awesome for us. You wanna discredit a guy because he was trying to help his team?

To further clarify what I said before, I don't like the embellishing either but its a part of the sport unless you change the rules to stop it. The OP called it an, "utter disgrace to hockey," singling out Bernier ridiculously, when by his standard, hockey today is an utter disgrace. It's like the OP didn't watch the whole series vs. the Rags, or hockey in the past 10 years at all for that matter.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:48 PM

it a reflex, stick hit his visor he put his head up... he didnt act sorry, i been it to the face and on the visor and me heads goes up by instinct
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:42 PM

Okay, I am decidedly in the middle on this. On the one hand, I can see why he 'flinched' or reacted as anyone would have who just had a fast moving object move close to their face would do. Otoh, it is clear he embellished, perhaps quite a bit. But I am not at all POed at Devils fans for pointing this out. I do not want to root for a classless organization and I have always been proud that we don't pull tha crap and that, for the most part, our fans are also willing to call out our own for this junk. Perhaps in this case it isn't entirely warranted, but I would rather keep the quality of the organization high than constantly overlook shenanigans and watch our reputation erode to th point of common street thugs, bad actors, or worse.... The rangers or flyers.

When arguing against giving Bernier a bit of a text-lashing keep in mind that we could have kept Assa Tikkanen years ago but Lou quickly decided that we just didn't fit in with the Devils culture and sent him n his way in short order. At least I think that sort of thing is worth bearing in mind.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:36 PM

Diving is a part of the game. The risk of diving is you take yourself out of the play, and refs might profile you and not respect future cheap shots on you. Might as well accept it, instead of becoming internet tough guys about NHL players diving.
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