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#1 peteyvegas

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:10 AM

How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:11 AM

Delete Thread. Seriously?
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:12 AM

How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck.


My guess is that, during shootouts and penalty shots, the skater isn't coming in full-speed. I think Marty gets a better read when they're taking their time or only coming in at half-speed.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:12 AM

Honestly I think Brodeur is one of the better goalies in the league when it comes to breakaways and I really thought he had it. It was just great patience and shot by Kopitar.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:17 AM

was a little to passive for me on that breakaway.. would of like to see one of his poke checks on that move.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:19 AM

My guess is that, during shootouts and penalty shots, the skater isn't coming in full-speed. I think Marty gets a better read when they're taking their time or only coming in at half-speed.


Exactly. I think that's what Marty told Kovy to do - full speed ahead.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:30 AM

penalty shot is also a different situation.. the player chooses to come in at any speed/angle which greatly tips their hand on what their end move is going to be. b/c if you have the chance to changed your angle/speed to help your end move you will.. in a game, the player comes in as he comes in through the flow of the game and all options are possible.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:49 AM

How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck.


There are lots of guys better than him in the shootout, plus he still only stops 72% of shootout attempts. Kopitar is one of the best players in the world, he's not going to miss there that often.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:56 AM

Are there any statistics to back up this assertion? If not, it's almost certainly a grass-is-greener on the other side observation.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:04 AM

He overuses the poke check. Kopitar totally baited him into it before he made his move. Also, it didn't help that Zubrus was too slow (out of gas?) to do anything on the backcheck. C'mon, man, you have to dive and make some kind of contact.

EDIT: Just rewatched and it was the paddle down, not a poke check. Same damn thing... takes away mobility.

Edited by David Puddy, 31 May 2012 - 09:17 AM.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:05 AM

Kopitar is an incredibly smart player. There was part of an interview from TG on how he remembered as he was skating in on what move he last used on Marty in the shootout and changed it up in case he remembered.

I guess that goes back a few years when, you know, we were in the shootout in L.A. and I went backhand on him. Maybe he thought I was going to do it again. Tonight, I just wanted to mix it up a little bit.”

The game Kopitar was referencing came during his rookie season. The Kings beat the Devils and Brodeur, 3-2, in a shootout, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Nov. 27, 2006 as both Kopitar and Alexander Frolov scored in the shootout – Kopitar, apparently, on the backhand.


To have the foresight to think of that, whilst coming in one on one in OT in the Stanley Cup Finals tells you a lot about the sort of player he is.

(I have a feeling this series is going to stop him from being my favourite non NJD NHL player.)
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:12 AM

I think everyone was cursing when Kopitar grabbed the puck, but it had nothing to do with Marty being good or bad on breakaways. It had to do with one of the most skilled players in the league having the most time and space on a breakaway in NHL history.

Edited by devilsrule33, 31 May 2012 - 09:53 AM.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:15 AM

seriously dude
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

im more bummed parise or fayne didnt pot their goal mouth chances.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:53 AM

im more bummed parise or fayne didnt pot their goal mouth chances.



Fayne HAS to bury that!
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:39 AM

And that whole play is set up by Zajac not coralling the pass from Parise. The d was pinching up expecting the puck to stay in the zone longer. It was a weird set up, that allowed one of the best scorers in the league (and someone who's good on the breakaway) to get in by himself. Marty's gonna lose some of those battles. So did Roy, Hasek, and every other goalie.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

Marty is the reason we even got to OT. That sequence of saves in the 3rd starting with Doughty was some vintage #30. We may NEED him to steal a game this series, let's hope last night wasn't the one we needed to have when it is all said and done.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:22 PM

I thought Marty played that breakaway about as well as he could. He loves using the poke check and I'm sure if he had an opportunity to he would have, but this is Kopitar we're talking about. Make the first move and miss and he eats you alive. If only Marty had left his pad on the ice he might have had it. Oh well. As others have said, it's not like we didn't generate any chances in OT or in the 3rd to put it away either. On to game 2.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:23 PM

I thought Marty played that breakaway about as well as he could. He loves using the poke check and I'm sure if he had an opportunity to he would have, but this is Kopitar we're talking about. Make the first move and miss and he eats you alive. If only Marty had left his pad on the ice he might have had it. Oh well. As others have said, it's not like we didn't generate any chances in OT or in the 3rd to put it away either. On to game 2.


Would want to see stats before I believe that Marty is better or worse on breakaways but If there is a difference, I suspect that a reason could be (as mentioned already in this thread) that on a breakaway, the player is coming full speed while in the midst of regular game play, leaving the goalie with a lot less time to position and read what he's doing. I've always hated when players go in at 50-75% on a shootout. I understand wanting to stay in control, but I think flying in at full speed you're increasing the chances the goalie will be back on his heels.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:46 PM

Yeah, that wasn't the problem. The problem was the game was a mess and we made more mistakes. Game could have ended earlier in the OT when Kovy got a chance to destroy a puck off a faceoff. Dunno if the King who was stupid enough to throw a glove at it, got it or not, but there were two plays that could have ended the game, we didn't end it on ours, they did end it on theirs.
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