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#41 BlueSkirt

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:32 AM

Maybe the league really owes us a SC Final goaltender that lets in goals like the guys we faced in the first 3 rounds (Theo/Clemmer, Bryz & Queen) !

We're down 3-0, fair & square because we failed to score last night.

Edited by BlueSkirt, 05 June 2012 - 11:35 AM.

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#42 NJDevs4978

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:33 AM

And yeah if you're allowed to whack the goalie's pad enough it will shake loose but you could say the same thing about whacking a goalie in the glove too, that isn't allowed.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:37 AM

why did i just watch that replay again.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:40 AM

85.3 Puck Out of Sight - Should a scramble take place or a player accidentally fall on the puck and the puck be out of sight of the Referee, he shall immediately blow his whistle and stop the play. The puck shall then be faced-off at the nearest face-off spot in the zone where the play was stopped unless otherwise provided for in the rules.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

The worst was having to listen to Eddie O going, "Well the ref must have been able to see the puck or he would have blown the whistle" while we all watch a replay that clearly shows the ref couldn't see the puck. :lol:
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:08 PM

The worst was having to listen to Eddie O going, "Well the ref must have been able to see the puck or he would have blown the whistle" while we all watch a replay that clearly shows the ref couldn't see the puck. :lol:


Eddie O has been an embarrassment as an analyst. Can someone hire him as a coach? Based on his analysis, his coaching advice would be "Get the puck to the net"
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:08 PM

It seemed like the officials were entirely too reactionary last night. It was almost as if they realized they were hair trigger blowing the whistle when Quick merely touched the puck twice. Then they overcompensated by letting them whack at Marty several times. Then they realized they screwed us and tried to give us every call known to man. Then the ratio of penalties was so ridiculously in our favor, they had to give them a couple of late calls, dives or not.


THANK YOU!!!! I was wondering if I was the only one who notices this.... if that isn't a sign a bad officiating, I don't know what is. And this, my friends, is the Stanley Cup! Supposedly the best NHL has to offer is on display, including the officials. Sad.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:28 PM

Parise and Kovalchuk owe us all apologies



Add Clarkson, Zubrus, Zidlicky, Fayne and whoever else you may want to throw in . . .
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:32 PM

I didn't like that first goal, but everyone who's saying that that goal wasn't the reason we lost is right.

I also don't like Dustin Brown. Every shift, he's throwing a fist or elbow in someone's face, holding someone's stick, or douchebagging it up in some other manner. I'd like to see one zebra assigned to him all game long, just to watch every little douche move he pulls. But that ain't gonna happen.

Win or lose, I'd like to see someone just flatten that little punk.



Problem is we dont have anybody to do that. . . I totally agree though he needs to get te crap kicked out of him. Lord knows we are without a real Physical presence. Clarkson who used to play witha chip and throw his body around has become a 30 goal scorer now (in his mind too)
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:35 PM

No apology needed. NJD had enough PPs to get back into the game they just didn't get it done. I am sure had Parise scored that goal and not the Kings plenty of people here would be complementing on how much of a hard worker he is and how he never gives up on a play and all that. Bad calls happen, and while NJ lost ALL the momentum they had, pretty much controlling the play, that goal isn't the reason they lost. Sometimes, though it is hard, you just got to see with your eyes and not your heart. They failed. :evilcry:
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:43 PM

FRASER: SHOULD ALEC MARTINEZ'S GOAL HAVE COUNTED?
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First let me say that Martin Brodeur had that puck covered with his left pad one the initial shot and protected it with the blade of his stick. If referee Dan O'Halloran had been on that side of the net he too would have seen this and hopefully blown the play dead.

In an effort to determine frozen pucks my best advice for the referees is to quickly attack the net in a goalmouth scramble to find the puck. Move to the side where the puck is being played to determine if it is in fact covered. If that is not possible trust your instinct based on goalie position and actions of the attacking player(s). Whatever you do, don't allow attacking players to bang away at the goalie! When all else fails apply rule 85.3 when you lose sight of the puck


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:45 PM

In what universe was that a good goal? The puck was obviously frozen.











At 1:31 anyone with a functioning eyeball can clearly see that Broduer has the puck covered and it's frozen. It's a terrible call, it's not why we lost but sheesh can we agree a spade is a spade?

In my "taking my red and black glasses off unbiased opinion" universe. It's a good goal. He did not freeze it long enough for the ref to blow the whistle.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:45 PM

I recall that Pandolfo goal again the Sens in the 03 playoffs that was just a blatant miss...I believe the league came out and apologized (we still won 1-0)

In this instance, we lost 4-0, but it's still no excuse for them to just outright hand LA goal #1 and get the ball rolling for them.

The puck was under Brodeurs pad...since when are players allowed to swat away at the goalies pad, push him, and jar the puck loose. And if the ref didn't see the puck, isn't it his responsibility to blow the whistle?

If the puck is under a goalies pad...you cannot just jam away at it until it comes loose. No way that goal should've counted


Absolutely YES! Would it have mattered in the long run, no not from what we know now, but its the principle of the ref's integrity. Look a dive or something they call a trip, interference, whatever you bitch about it and all, but after that it's like whatever, play through it. But that kind of mistake CANNOT happen in a big game like this! There was no excuse for letting them jam away at it like that! Look I'm a big fan of the notion that the league owes us a ton for the sh!t we've gotten since we "moved in" and "stole" fans from Philly and NY. The attitude toward us from seemingly everywhere is little respect, we're a "small market" team, and that we somehow have no right to be here. They grudgingly accept we have won the most cups since 94, we have now 5 Conference championships, and a slew of playoff appearances, yet we will forever remain 3rd or 4th fiddle to the Rangers, Flyers and Isles. The whole $3M fine for getting Kovy was not really for "circumvention of the cap" it was really a big "fvck you" to us for daring to have big name talent to finally make us a household name. I'm sure everyone beside us would have had huge boners if Kovy actually signed with the Kings - especially now. The fact that pretty much all playoffs we've had questionable or downright wrong sh!t go against us is just salt in the wound, despite the fact we have been able to overcome it till now. Are we playing a better team? I won't concede that, but were this round 1 and not 4 I'd say we were the better team. We're out of gas, they have had it easier and have more left in the tank. It is what it is, but hey, we still have a banner to put on our wall. Nobody can deny us the Eastern Conference Championship. Not even Bettman. So just go out there and play game 4 and let the pieces fall where they may. It was a good season and nobody expected we'd be here back on October. And hey, we took the Flyers and Rangers out during the process. We wiped out the curse of 1994 and we completely turned around last year's horrorfest. We have a coach everyone can get behind. I'd call this season a major plus for us regardless of whether we get the cup or not.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:46 PM

That was not a good call, and former goalies Weekes and Pang on the NHL Network agreed there should have been a whistle. Controlling the puck under your pad should get just as quick a whistle as controlling it with your glove.

He did not control the puck long enough for the ref to call the play dead.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:53 PM

He did not control the puck long enough for the ref to call the play dead.


This doesn't matter. A player CANNOT hit the goalie's equipment in an attempt to dislodge the puck.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:57 PM

This doesn't matter. A player CANNOT hit the goalie's equipment in an attempt to dislodge the puck.

Please show me the rule for this.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 01:03 PM

Please show me the rule for this.


It was posted a page back.

Show me the rule that says a covered puck is still live for any length of time.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 01:03 PM

In my "taking my red and black glasses off unbiased opinion" universe. It's a good goal. He did not freeze it long enough for the ref to blow the whistle.

Not long enough? oh brother, now you are just blindly defending your position. He has the puck for a solid two seconds (you can look at the clock on the clip, it's a full two). That puck is clearly covered and under his pad and only leaves his pad from King prodding him. There have been 5 reasons listed already about why that should not have been a goal. Red Black glasses need not apply here, he fvcked up and made the wrong call.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 01:07 PM

this was a series changing goal to put it simply.

Nah......Carter's OT goal was IMO.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 01:11 PM

Nah......Carter's OT goal was IMO.


You mean Ryan Carter's OT goal in game 4 shifting the series in New Jersey's favor eventually leading to a game 7 victory?

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