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#21 RedArmy8

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:59 AM

Not at all, I'm simply disputing your statement that Tallinder is 'average at best'.

The coach knows about who should play & sit, not me.


This is just giving Tallinder a chance to play in the finals, not about winning.

Tallinder is average at best. He was fortunate to hit the UFA market when he did.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:02 PM

I don't like the exchange. Harrold has played great and deserves to play. Hank was somewhat shaky during the season at times now he hasn't played in months and he is getting thrown into a SCF elimination game for his first one back.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:03 PM

I don't like the exchange. Harrold has played great and deserves to play. Hank was somewhat shaky during the season at times now he hasn't played in months and he is getting thrown into a SCF elimination game for his first one back.


Exactly my point.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:15 PM

If Tallinder is average at best, let's keep in mind that Peter Harrold is a NHL/AHL tweener 5th liner/7th defenseman. Yes, they've gotten something out of him this year, which is great...
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:18 PM

Harold has been our best defensemen and at time he shows flashes of potential Nieds like abililty.


Potential isn't really something that should be discussed with Harrold. He's almost 30. He is what he is.

Tallinder is just a better defenseman than Harrold. If nothing else, putting Tallinder in the lineup is addition by subtraction in that you can give Tally some of the minutes Zidlicky's been given too many of.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:18 PM

I agree with maxpower. For all Harrold has done, Tallinder is an NHL defenseman.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:32 PM

I understand all of us are frustrated but really? Harrold over Tallinder? Harrold is our 8th dman who happens to be playing because of Tallinder's medical condition and Larsson's lack of experience. If they were up 3-0 we'd question why he was making a change to a winning line-up. As it stands, they are down 0-3 and he HAS to make some changes.

I honestly feel this is in no way a throw in the towel move to deliver any type of message to UFAs. I am hoping my sarcasm meter is broken and that wasn't said with seriousness.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:36 PM

i can't be bothered to look it up, but i bet some of the commenters against this move were saying sky is falling when tallinder had to be replaced by harrold.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:47 PM

This just gives LA a different look with very little time to prepare. I love that they made the move today instead of yesterday at practice.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:55 PM

I don't like taking JJ out of the lineup for Sykora. The Kings are fast, and they move the puck quickly. While Sykora still has a great shot, that's about all he brings to the table at this stage in his career. He's going to have a hard time keeping up with the Kings speed, much like he did against the much slower Rangers.

I don't mind getting Tallinder in the lineup. He is one of our top 4 defensemen when healthy. Harrold has played well in this series, but its really a numbers game at this point and it seems PDB wanted to give the team a different look tonight. I don't think the Devils have increased their chances of winning tonight to a great extent, but something needed to be done to mix it up.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

Kings are not fast, they just move the puck well. If they were legit fast, I'd be frightened as to what would happen in this series, since we've lost our legs
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

We'll be more solid in our end with tallinder...harrold has better offensive capabilities but what exactly has that amounted to in this series. Tallinder has a long reach to break up passes, can limit kings cycles, block shots...won't get abused along the boards. I'm fine with that.

I love Sykora but he's out of gas right now and offers very little. I mean if there is a wide open shot where he can just wind up and let er rip, sure I want him over JJ. But when the hell have we had the time and space to do anything this series?

Edited by '7', 06 June 2012 - 01:05 PM.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

Did you actually read what I wrote???? I did not say he was "Nieds" I used terms likes "flashes" "potential" and "at times" to describe his very promising play. We need offense, which Tallinder does not deliver as well.


You could have said "at times" he's shown that he can use his feet to escape pressure, or "at times" can stick handle and make an outlet pass; but "Nieds like potential"???? It's not even on the same planet...hell, that's not even in the same solar system, galaxy, or even universe.

And you're grossly underestimating Tallinder's ability and play, but that's a different argument entirely.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:12 PM

The joke is harrold has been far from our worst defensemen this series. He is the only guy out there with any speed it seems. I would right now rather harrold on the point over zidlicky on the PP.

Our entire defense looks slow out there, I would rather Larson be in to get experience than any of the guys we have out there, because in my mind they are all expendable. Greene and Fayne are solid, but they aren't a top defensive pairing in my mind. As good as salvador has been, even he looks really bad out there at times.

Edited by Sneax, 06 June 2012 - 01:12 PM.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:17 PM

i don't see the defense being slow at all. they are keeping up with all the fast skaters. the problem is the skaters are puck handling and the defenders are just skating with them causing shots on goal that can easily be avoided if the defender played the puck.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:19 PM

Zidlicky, for all his foibles this series is the one D-Man on this team that can make plays that nobody else can and control tempo unlike anyone else. He's led the team in ice team for 95% of the games he's played for us. Yes, he's looked bad the majority of this series, but at this point we just need 1 good game from him. We can worry about game 5 if we get to that point.

Harrold was the likely guy to go if any defensive changes were made. I have no issues at all with this decision. Tallinder is a good hockey player and was the best defenseman on this team during our run in 2011. The Kings fared pretty good inserting Gagne in, and I expect Tallinder will play the same type of minutes.

I agree though, Harrold has played well and I felt he was our best d-man in Game 2, but at this point I'll take a spark anyway we can get it. If Tallinder can provide that, I'm all for it.

Its potentially the last game of the season. Throw it all at the wall and hopefully something will stick.

Edited by ghdi, 06 June 2012 - 01:20 PM.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:13 PM

Harrold hasn't been that great actually (saying he's been the best devil in the finals is crazy with how Fayne and Greene are playing). For example, too many times he gets caught by a forechecker in the zone and not known what to do with the puck. Everytime he skates out of it with a minor puck battle (and gets away with it) but it's going to haunt him eventually. With that said he's been a great 6th dman and 2nd unit PP dman.

If Tallinder is healthy he's better than Harrold, at least at even strength. All things considered I think Tallinder is the best dman on the Devils though.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:20 PM

Any other changes mentioned or possibly coming? Do we know if sykora is playing or just skating with the players?
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:23 PM

Dude...you're going to say that Tallinder is average at best and then mention Harrold in the same sentence as Nieds!?!?!?


Yeah this website is a joke most times i look at it. Good for info, but the MAJORITY of the opinions on here are comical. Such as not liking the idea of bringing tallinder back in replace of an ahl player. Also ripping up parise when hes the hardest worker out there, yet giving kovi a pass for having more turnovers than a bakery.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:39 PM

Yeah this website is a joke most times i look at it. Good for info, but the MAJORITY of the opinions on here are comical. Such as not liking the idea of bringing tallinder back in replace of an ahl player. Also ripping up parise when hes the hardest worker out there, yet giving kovi a pass for having more turnovers than a bakery.


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