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#21 CaptainRafalski

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

Moose would make an excellent back up on a team with an established goalie, but I don't see the advantage of having two goalies at such an advanced age. If Marty comes back it would be nice for the Devils to get a young guy in there getting time so that we can have a goalie going forward.

Well, none of these guys should be coming back anyway because they went to a bar/club after the game / sarc
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

Moose would make an excellent back up on a team with an established goalie, but I don't see the advantage of having two goalies at such an advanced age. If Marty comes back it would be nice for the Devils to get a young guy in there getting time so that we can have a goalie going forward.

Well, none of these guys should be coming back anyway because they went to a bar/club after the game / sarc


From what I gathered, Moose will either come back for one year or retire. I doubt he'll even consider offers from anywhere other than NJ as I don't believe he wants to relocate to play a final year. I think he's played well enough and been loyal enough to have earned himself another year with NJ to close out his career. It also helps to have another Swede who can mentor the younger Swedes and speak to them in their native language and make them feel generally more comfortable.

Moose can also be scratched to get one of our prospects in for a game or two here and there. I also believe if Marty comes back, he will play no more than 60 games, so that gives you enough games to distribute to a 3rd goalie.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:37 PM

From what I gathered, Moose will either come back for one year or retire. I doubt he'll even consider offers from anywhere other than NJ as I don't believe he wants to relocate to play a final year. I think he's played well enough and been loyal enough to have earned himself another year with NJ to close out his career. It also helps to have another Swede who can mentor the younger Swedes and speak to them in their native language and make them feel generally more comfortable.

Moose can also be scratched to get one of our prospects in for a game or two here and there. I also believe if Marty comes back, he will play no more than 60 games, so that gives you enough games to distribute to a 3rd goalie.


good points.

Although I didn't know any info about his intentions I was coming more from what another team sees.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:42 PM

I think Hedberg is done here. It's time we bring one of our younger guys up (my guess is Frazee) and let him back up Marty. I'd also like to see Wedgewood get some games.

As for our UFA's --

Zach - I think he's leaning towards staying, but our financial situation may prevent his return. I'm going to guess stays.

Ryan Carter - I want this guy on the team. I hope he stays, but I could see him getting more money and a larger role somewhere else. Guessing stays.

Bernier - Id be perfectly fine with him returning, I just don't think it happens. Gone.

Poni - I think he walks. Fine with him staying.

Hedberg - Goodbye.

Cam - Goodbye.

Sykora - Really tough call. Im going to guess stays, but no surprise if hes done.

Gionta - Stays. I think he is the only one that assuredly stays.

Sal - Despite his performance, I think his age is a bit offputting. I also agree with the NBC analysts that say he will get good offers from around the league. Going to guess stays on a one year.

Harrold - Depends on Sal. I don't think we keep both of these guys.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:46 PM

good points.

Although I didn't know any info about his intentions I was coming more from what another team sees.


I think a lot of people underestimate the value of having older guys around that can play almost a coaching role. Marty is EXCELLENT at this and I think it adds immensely to his value as a team player. Moose and Tally are the only older Swedes on the team, so it's a good thing to have around come the holidays. It gives the younger guys a place to eat on Christmas, Thanksgiving, wtv, and eat some homemade swedish foods. It's just something that I believe really helps a player feel at home with a team.

I mean, just imagine you're Larsson or JJ and you have only been in NA for a couple years or less, you speak English, but not fluently; that can be really isolating for a younger player.

Lastly, showing loyalty to a guy like Moose with a decent contract and allowing him to play one last year or wtv without relocating can really show to the younger players that NJ is a place that you may not get the individual accolades you'd get in MTL, NY, TOR, etc, but if you put in hard work and commit to the team, you WILL be rewarded for that loyalty.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:48 PM

Harrold - Depends on Sal. I don't think we keep both of these guys.


I think if Sal goes then the Devils need to do something to replace his style of play. Our Defense has too many Harrold types.

I think a lot of people underestimate the value of having older guys around that can play almost a coaching role. Marty is EXCELLENT at this and I think it adds immensely to his value as a team player. Moose and Tally are the only older Swedes on the team, so it's a good thing to have around come the holidays. It gives the younger guys a place to eat on Christmas, Thanksgiving, wtv, and eat some homemade swedish foods. It's just something that I believe really helps a player feel at home with a team.

I mean, just imagine you're Larsson or JJ and you have only been in NA for a couple years or less, you speak English, but not fluently; that can be really isolating for a younger player.

Lastly, showing loyalty to a guy like Moose with a decent contract and allowing him to play one last year or wtv without relocating can really show to the younger players that NJ is a place that you may not get the individual accolades you'd get in MTL, NY, TOR, etc, but if you put in hard work and commit to the team, you WILL be rewarded for that loyalty.


Yep.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:56 PM

I expect the entire 4th line to be somewhere else next year. It's a good bet Gionta ends up in Montreal after this run. The players are going to look different on this roster next year. Lou is going to work some magic this summer and were going to have a helluva team next year with or without Parise.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:59 PM

I expect the entire 4th line to be somewhere else next year. It's a good bet Gionta ends up in Montreal after this run. The players are going to look different on this roster next year. Lou is going to work some magic this summer and were going to have a helluva team next year with or without Parise.


I think allowing the entire fourth line to leave would be a bad move on our part. It would be nice to keep them together and give them some more ice time in the regular season. They could contribute some scoring.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:03 PM

Her's a list of our UFA's and our cap space according to Capgeek...

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=20

Cap space - $28,045,834

Forwards:

Zach Parise - 70 million/10 years (7 million cap hit)

Alex Ponikarovsky - 3 million/2 years (1.5 mil cap hit)

Ryan Carter - 4.5 Million/ 3 years (1.5 million cap hit)

Petr Sykora - Retires/leaves as UFA

Cam Jannsen - Leaves as UFA

Steve Bernier - 6 million/3 years (2 million cap hit)

Stephen Gionta - 8 million/4 years (2 million cap hit)

Defense:

Bryce Salvadore - Leaves as UFA

Peter Harrold - Leaves as UFA

Goalies:

Marty Brodeur - 8 million/2 years (4 million cap hit)

Johan Hedberg - Retires/Leaves as UFA

Cap spent 18 million, 10 million remains. Pipe dream, sign Suter.

Wow this is the first time I've seen a scenario written down where we make out great re-signing AND land Suter

It's probably a long shot but this proves that we could do some work this offseason

Edited by Onddeck, 12 June 2012 - 04:56 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:19 PM

Her's a list of our UFA's and our cap space according to Capgeek...

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=20

Cap space - $28,045,834

My predictions...

Forwards:

Zach Parise - 70 million/10 years (7 million cap hit)

Alex Ponikarovsky - 3 million/2 years (1.5 mil cap hit)

Ryan Carter - 4.5 Million/ 3 years (1.5 million cap hit)

Petr Sykora - Retires/leaves as UFA

Cam Jannsen - Leaves as UFA

Steve Bernier - 6 million/3 years (2 million cap hit)

Stephen Gionta - 8 million/4 years (2 million cap hit)

Defense:

Bryce Salvadore - Leaves as UFA

Peter Harrold - Leaves as UFA

Goalies:

Marty Brodeur - 8 million/2 years (4 million cap hit)

Johan Hedberg - Retires/Leaves as UFA

Cap spent 18 million, 10 million remains. Pipe dream, sign Suter.



No way Marty makes $4 million next season. He makes between $1.8 and $2.8 next season, and that is only if Lou gives him "Jeter-esque" consideration for his symbolism to the franchise.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

No way Marty makes $4 million next season. He makes between $1.8 and $2.8 next season, and that is only if Lou gives him "Jeter-esque" consideration for his symbolism to the franchise.


A lot of people here seem to think he'll get $3+M next year. I think it'll be more like $2.5M.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:09 PM

Goaltenders
I think Marty stays, and that's about as sure a thing as you can get. I would think he's only going to Montreal if the opening's there, and unless he wants to back up for Price not happening. Marty stays, hopefully for a more team-friendly deal ($3-3.5 mm cap hit). I'm not against Hedberg per se, but wasn't he injured one of the few times we needed him? I understand the chemistry factor, but we need a backup that we can throw to the lions on a moment's notice and have him step up. Don't know much about him but Josh Harding is a 27 year old UFA who had similar seasonal numbers to Hedberg...that would be ideal based on Capgeek's UFAs. I want NO part of Gustavsson or most other of the goalies on the market. Harding or Hedberg, one of which can probably be had for cheap. Call it 1.5 MM Cap Hit for Guy #2.

Forwards:
Parise is job #1, and Minnesota is going to start a bidding war for him. I hope he stays for about what everyone else is looking for him: $7-7.5MM Cap Hit. If Parise leaves, he will not be replaced next year by one player, and I think we'd need to kill people with depth. That said, in that scenario overpay the entire fourth line slightly ($1mm cap hit each, maybe slightly higher for Carter). And TBH, I believe we should give the fourth line the chance to play a whole season together next year and see what they've got, so they should all be locked up anyway. Poni to me is hit or miss, if we get him great, if not I'm sure we can find a replacement for what he's making. Sykora is tough...I think he'll be resigned by NJ and we'll hate the contract. Ideally he retires, goes outside of the US, or takes a team-friendly one-year deal to get back on the boat for one last go. Finding his replacement will be difficult. May I suggest noted Ranger-killer P-A Parenteau? Janssen...so long, and thanks for the fish.

Defensemen
Salvador is getting phat paid...by someone else. He's probably earned himself one more big deal, and I can see a team desperate for veteran defensive help offering him 3/$14 or 2/$7.5. Harrold is keepable, but he better be so at worst $750k hit. Tender Fayne an offer...he had a horrid playoffs as far as I saw but he's a low-cost defenseman (1 way deal @ $577,500) who appeared to be above that value this year.

Replace Salvador from within or sign Suter. If we don't get Suter and Sal comes back for a reasonable 2-year deal fine but we have the depth to replace him. And if Salvador comes back or Suter signs, in all likeliness see ya Harrold.

Signing Suter would be a coup for this team, but I'm not sure if it's reality. His current deal is $3.5 MM cap hit, and clearly he'll want a raise. We could sign him to a decent-sized deal but if we had him and Parise then we'd basically be saying Tedenby and Zharkov will replace Sykora and Poni, and we may have to dump Hedberg for <AHL GOALIE HERE>.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:29 PM

I think the biggest thing (other than Parise, of course) is going to be getting a 2nd line winger to fill in Sykora's role. Someone with speed who can help on the forecheck in the corner. Quick glance at the UFA list brings up Brad Boyes as a project.

Also, if Gomez is bought out, I'm sure that will be brought into consideration as well.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:50 PM

If the financial issues are cleared up this summer, I'm not sure why signing Suter is so far from reality. If not him, maybe they try for Wideman. I think a huge missing piece for the Devils is that all around dman with a big offensive upside. Salvador kind of became this guy in the postseason, but we all know it probably won't happen again. After a season like this one, the Devils would be a great destination for some players looking to do some real damage in the playoffs in the future.

If the Devils can land one of these guys, they will have the freedom to trade to fill in some holes in the offense, or even a goalie at this point. The question is: do they still try for Harding?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:54 PM

if the devils sign ANY outside defenseman for more than $1MM, i will eat my hat.

this D is locked in for next year:

tallinder-zidlicky
fayne-greene
larsson-volchenkov

they need a 7th and i'd say there's a good chance its peter harrold on a one way. they are not signing suter or wideman or anything of the sort.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:58 PM

I know many on this board think he's a bust but Matt Carle is still young and could adapt to the system. Plus, even though he'd be kind of pricey Barrett Jackman brings a total hard edge we're missing even with Volchenkov.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:13 PM

if the devils sign ANY outside defenseman for more than $1MM, i will eat my hat.

this D is locked in for next year:

tallinder-zidlicky
fayne-greene
larsson-volchenkov

they need a 7th and i'd say there's a good chance its peter harrold on a one way. they are not signing suter or wideman or anything of the sort.

Agreed. And that's not even considering the Devils have Merill who may even be good enough to make the team out of camp. Not to mention Gelinas and Urbom waiting also.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:04 AM

Here is my super sexy lineup for next season:

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.250m) / Travis Zajac ($3.888m) / Dainius Zubrus ($3.400m)
Patrik Elias ($6.000m) / Adam Henrique ($0.854m) / Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.667m)
Alexei Ponikarovsky ($2.000m) / Jacob Josefson ($0.900m) / David Clarkson ($2.667m)
Ryan Carter ($1.250m) / Stephen Gionta ($0.900m) / Steve Bernier ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Andy Greene ($3.000m)
Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) / Adam Larsson ($0.925m)
Marek Zidlicky ($4.000m) / Anton Volchenkov ($4.250m)
Mark Fayne ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Martin Brodeur ($3.500m)
Johan Hedberg ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Colin White ($1.000m) / Trent Hunter ($0.667m)
these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $67,304,166;
BONUSES: $262,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,995,834

Edited by njdevil26, 13 June 2012 - 12:08 AM.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:27 AM

if the devils sign ANY outside defenseman for more than $1MM, i will eat my hat.

Trade someone like Greene for forward help (Sam Gagner), sign the Parise + Suter package deal, and boom! Ok, that is my dream world...I agree that the defense is essentially locked in and I'd welcome Harrold back as the 7th.

Here is my super sexy lineup for next season:

Fayne was a top 2 defensemen for the Devils last year, what did he do to deserve getting dropped to 7th? He's going to be in the top 4 for years to come.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:46 AM

I guess I'm the lone nut who thinks we should unload Volchenkov.
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