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[JakeDev]

Well we're going to hit 100 pages and Zach is probably signing for 100 m

edit: first post on 100

Edited by JakeDev, 04 July 2012 - 09:28 AM.

[Triumph]

It certainly doesn't happen PUBLICLY all that often. Teams and agents whisper stuff to each other all the time, but this is different. Putting it out there publicly was basically a guarantee they would follow through. And it also sent every other team in the league a message publicly too.

Right, this is different. It's you blowing something way out of proportion.

Parise's been a free agent for 4 days. Every team has had ample opportunity to make a better offer than anyone else.

[coldply123]

lol, yeah, tampering. Parise's been talking with Lou three times a day, but clearly he had no interest in coming back, it was just chit-chat, how's the weather, that sort of thing.

dr33: no, the Wild are still awful, and if they sign Parise and Suter, they're pretty much at the salary cap with (still) a pretty bad team.

Yup. And they are going to be tied into long-term cap hits at high numbers on two good, but not superstar players. If guys like Granlund, Brodin, Coyle pan out, they're going to become offer-sheet targets if there's a GM who is bold enough. The window for the Wild to try and contend may open and close in a quick fashion.

I'm not too broken-hearted over Parise leaving at the kind of money being talked about. I think the Wild may eventually suffer buyer's remorse on Parise down the road, much moreso than any Suter deal.

[devilsrule33]

It looks like everyone is looking for something..anything to get mad at because of this situation. And if it wasn't this it be that. If it wasn't a comment after game 6, it be some comment before arbitration. I still feel Parise has handled this as well as possible given the circumstances.

[NJDevs4978]

Right, this is different. It's you blowing something way out of proportion.

Parise's been a free agent for 4 days. Every team has had ample opportunity to make a better offer than anyone else.

And you don't think the initial offers on July 1 all started at a higher level because of the Wild's comments? Who in their right mind would offer Parise a 13-100 (the way the Flyers supposedly did) or some of these other rumored offers, unless you knew someone was willing to offer more than that or figured you had to go to that level to hope of topping everyone else?

[sundstrom]

And you don't think the initial offers on July 1 all started at a higher level because of the Wild's comments? Who in their right mind would offer Parise a 13-100 (the way the Flyers supposedly did) or some of these other rumored offers, unless you knew someone was willing to offer more than that or figured you had to go to that level to hope of topping everyone else?

who cares where they started. they would've gotten there immediately. parise was ALWAYS going to see what the Wild's offer was regardless of what was put out there. his dad is clearly an influence. the suter thing is relatively new - at least that it was something that teams were trying to do.

i'll be disappointed but i can't fault parise for going to minnesotta.

[RSC]

It looks like everyone is looking for something..anything to get mad at because of this situation. And if it wasn't this it be that. If it wasn't a comment after game 6, it be some comment before arbitration. I still feel Parise has handled this as well as possible given the circumstances.

Dude, you're not allowed to be rational about this. Gotta join the anti-Parise groupthink!

[Triumph]

Yup. And they are going to be tied into long-term cap hits at high numbers on two good, but not superstar players. If guys like Granlund, Brodin, Coyle pan out, they're going to become offer-sheet targets if there's a GM who is bold enough. The window for the Wild to try and contend may open and close in a quick fashion.

I'm not too broken-hearted over Parise leaving at the kind of money being talked about. I think the Wild may eventually suffer buyer's remorse on Parise down the road, much moreso than any Suter deal.

C'mon, offer sheet, who is the last significant player to be offer sheeted? Thomas Vanek? Dustin Penner, I guess? The Wild also have some bad contracts ending soon that should free them up to make some decent moves. Even if we assume Parise and Suter to be signed for a combined 16MM, the Wild will have 52M committed to 16 players next year. That should give them significant breathing room. They're still not building a championship team unless Granlund is really something special, but they've got some pieces in place to be good.

Edited by Triumph, 04 July 2012 - 09:38 AM.

[DaneykoIsGod]

Sorry, I just woke up and am having trouble finding when exactly it became a forgone conclusion that Parise is signing with the Wild. Can anyone fill me in?

[DevsMan84]

Sorry, I just woke up and am having trouble finding when exactly it became a forgone conclusion that Parise is signing with the Wild. Can anyone fill me in?

Apparently because suter is expected to sign with the wild.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Sorry, I just woke up and am having trouble finding when exactly it became a forgone conclusion that Parise is signing with the Wild. Can anyone fill me in?

There really isn't anything definitive, it's more of a general feeling. I haven't ruled out his coming back to NJ (and in fairness, a lot of the posts here are using "if", in regards to Minnesota), but if he doesn't, I'm not going to be taking it all that hard. I actually think the Devils might be better off in the long run if Parise DOESN'T come back.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

Suter's supposed to make his decision today

Parise decision could come at same time, especially if they are trying to coordinate destination

https://twitter.com/...527178981449728

LeBrun's even posting about Suter + Parise

Edited by halfsharkalligatorhalfman, 04 July 2012 - 09:51 AM.

[NJDevs4978]

Apparently because suter is expected to sign with the wild.

That, and Parise's interview last night where he admitted he was talking with Suter throughout the process. And the fact both have been unsigned for days but are supposedly both going to decide today. And the fact so many teams offered them both a package deal.

No smoking gun yet, but a ****load of circumstantial evidence.

[Triumph]

There really isn't anything definitive, it's more of a general feeling. I haven't ruled out his coming back to NJ (and in fairness, a lot of the posts here are using "if", in regards to Minnesota), but if he doesn't, I'm not going to be taking it all that hard. I actually think the Devils might be better off in the long run if Parise DOESN'T come back.

In 5 years, I don't think it's a question. Even though I don't think Richard Pryor from Brewster's Millions will still be running the team at that point, Kovalchuk will already be entering a decline. Having two forwards like that on a mid-budget team could be brutal.

[DaneykoIsGod]

Thank you for the clarifications.

[njdevil26]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrunTold that over the past 36 hours, the dialogue between Parise and Suter picked up considerably...










Because of this bullsh!t.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

In 5 years, I don't think it's a question. Even though I don't think Richard Pryor from Brewster's Millions will still be running the team at that point, Kovalchuk will already be entering a decline. Having two forwards like that on a mid-budget team could be brutal.

And I think there's still plenty Lou can do here. And yeah, one absurd contact on the books is enough.

[oconnellrules]

jesus. if they both end up in minnesota, have fun never winning a cup!

[Allthegoodnamesweretaken]

I see this Parise thread won't have the happy ending the Kovy one did.

[njdevil26]

And I think there's still plenty Lou can do here. And yeah, one absurd contact on the books is enough.

With Kovy's cap hit, I can't call his contract absurd at all. He's not going to make 100 million dollars... he won't play the last few years of the deal... he got not ridiculous signing bonus. Parise and Suter's cap hits are going to be at least 7.5-8 mil if not much more. You tell me who's the team player. I'm pretty damn happy to have Kovalchuk with a cap hit that will never screw over the team.