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[Devil Dan 56]

That'd be something. Trade your captain, whom you won a Cup with, and sign the captain of the losing team.

Brown is a hero there right now. I cant see them just trading him. That'd be like us trading Parise to sign brown.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

This may be rewriting of history, but my understanding is those Brown trade rumors were mostly the Bruins trying feverishly to get Brown from the Kings, and the Kings just doing their due diligence and listening. Some Kings fans also think it was just done to light a fire under Brown's ass, so the rumors may have been overblown.

Regardless there is absolutely no chance the Kings trade Brown this offseason. Tim Thomas has shown that a lot can change in a year, but they aren't gonna sign Parise under the premise they can trade Brown next year either. Kings also are kind of screwed since they really can't go higher than Doughty or Kopitar's contracts for Parise without causing locker room issues. They will make a pitch, but won't keep up with the rest of the suitors' terms.

[Daniel]

Brown is a hero there right now. I cant see them just trading him. That'd be like us trading Parise to sign brown.

Difference is Parise is better than Brown.

[Zubie#8]

Difference is Parise is better than Brown.

But bigger and cheaper Nah Parise is much better.

[Daniel]

For what it's worth, from Minnesota ABC affilliate:

My link

I hear the Wild will go as high as a 10-year, $90 million offer (maybe higher) with signing bonuses making the contract front-loaded. Assume wherever Parise signs, he'll have a full no-trade clause.

Insane.

[Triumph]

Insane.

It's perfectly sane. Look at their roster. What do they have to lose? What long-term contracts do they have to work around? Nothing, and none. They are a franchise at bottom. 44.5% Fenwick tied last year, worst in the NHL.

The thing is, being the hometown hero is great for about half the season, but Parise at that price will be expected to A: score a lot and B: lead the Wild into the playoffs. And the Wild will have to make a lot of additions in free agency and hope and pray to get in.

[msweet]

The thing is, being the hometown hero is great for about half the season, but Parise at that price will be expected to A: score a lot and B: lead the Wild into the playoffs. And the Wild will have to make a lot of additions in free agency and hope and pray to get in.

Yup, and as I have said, Parise is a complimentary player... not a franchise player

[Devil Dan 56]

It's perfectly sane. Look at their roster. What do they have to lose? What long-term contracts do they have to work around? Nothing, and none. They are a franchise at bottom. 44.5% Fenwick tied last year, worst in the NHL.

The thing is, being the hometown hero is great for about half the season, but Parise at that price will be expected to A: score a lot and B: lead the Wild into the playoffs. And the Wild will have to make a lot of additions in free agency and hope and pray to get in.

Bold is a great point. When you are signing a 10 year deal you need to think about the whole deal, not just the beginning.

[Daniel]

Yup, and as I have said, Parise is a complimentary player... not a franchise player

Complimentary is a little bit of an understatement. A $9 million cap hit when it's expected the cap will decrease after the CBA is a lot to spend on any player whose name is not Crosby or Stamkos.

The Wild also lost money despite having near perfect attendance. If the Devils had that sort of attendance, they'd be consistently profitable.

[Triumph]

Complimentary is a little bit of an understatement. A $9 million cap hit when it's expected the cap will decrease after the CBA is a lot to spend on any player whose name is not Crosby or Stamkos.

The Wild also lost money despite having near perfect attendance. If the Devils had that sort of attendance, they'd be consistently profitable.

Spending $9M on Parise is way better, at least for the next few years, than spending $4M for an average defenseman (for example).

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

All players in the NHL are complimentary players. Hockey isn't basketball. Crosby is the only guy who is possibly a "franchise" player, and the Penguins were still pretty good without him this year.

Edited by halfsharkalligatorhalfman, 15 June 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[NCDevsFan]

Hell, I would sign with the Wild for that kinda dough!

Edited by NCDevsFan, 15 June 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[NJDevs4978]

So two days ago, the Wild owner and GM let it be known publicly through a go-between (Nanne) who has ties to both them AND Zach's family that the Wild won't be outbid on Zach and are preparing a substantial offer. Yesterday, the main beat guy Russo reported it was going to be $8-9 million per year and today we get this report of 10-90 with a NTC that could go even higher.

Nope, no tampering here...

Edited by NJDevs4978, 15 June 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[Daniel]

Spending $9M on Parise is way better, at least for the next few years, than spending $4M for an average defenseman (for example).

It being way better for "next few years" is what makes it problematic. If it were four years $40 million, for a team like the Wild that doesn't have to worry about re-signing anyone during that time, it would make sense, or at least couldn't hurt.

If they're going to seriously compete for Cup, they'll need other pieces, that eventually they'll have to pay. I'm not totally familiar with the Wild or who they have in the pipeline, but doesn't seem to me that they have a deep enough talent pool that they'll manage to get three or four quality skaters on the cheap during a four year window.

[MadDog2020]

So two days ago, the Wild owner and GM let it be known publicly through a go-between (Nanne) who has ties to both them AND Zach's family that the Wild won't be outbid on Zach and are preparing a substantial offer. Yesterday, the main beat guy Russo reported it was going to be $8-9 million per year and today we get this report of 10-90 with a NTC that could go even higher.

Nope, no tampering here...

Yeah, this is fvcking bullsh!t and it pissing me off. Hopefully Lou's all over it.

[maxpower]

It's not tampering. Tampering is a conversation between the two parties or proof of such, or the premature agreement to a contract.

There is no proof a conversation has actually taken place. Not even up to the degree of the Blues and Paul Martin, when Stickland started blabbing like a goof.

Crazy as it sounds, that might not be enough to hold off Detriot, if Detriot wants him. Basically, unless he's taking a hometown discount, it ain't gonna work. Can't carry two of those deals at once, especially if we have financial constrictions.

[Daniel]

So two days ago, the Wild owner and GM let it be known publicly through a go-between (Nanne) who has ties to both them AND Zach's family that the Wild won't be outbid on Zach and are preparing a substantial offer. Yesterday, the main beat guy Russo reported it was going to be $8-9 million per year and today we get this report of 10-90 with a NTC that could go even higher.

Nope, no tampering or underhanded leaking here...

It's not enough for the league to act proactively right now to the point of barring the Wild from signing Zach, which I don't know if the league would be allowed to anyway even if there was a video of a meeting.

However, if he does end up signing an offer very similar to what's been rumored, you better believe there will be an investigation. Publicly disclosing, either directly or indirectly, an intended offer to a player still under contract falls under the NHL's bylaws' definition of tampering. What the penalty would be is more difficult to say.

[Daniel]

It's not tampering. Tampering is a conversation between the two parties or proof of such, or the premature agreement to a contract.

Not true. The Leafs were fined for Ron Wilson stating to a reporter that the Leafs were interested in making an offer to the Sedins. My link

And per my earlier post, the league's bylaws actually cover "public" negotiations, so to speak.

[NJDevs4978]

It's not tampering. Tampering is a conversation between the two parties or proof of such, or the premature agreement to a contract.

There is no proof a conversation has actually taken place. Not even up to the degree of the Blues and Paul Martin, when Stickland started blabbing like a goof.

Crazy as it sounds, that might not be enough to hold off Detriot, if Detriot wants him. Basically, unless he's taking a hometown discount, it ain't gonna work. Can't carry two of those deals at once, especially if we have financial constrictions.

It was tampering when Ron Wilson said the Leafs would 'maybe go after the Sedins' and that involved none of that. He only got a fine, but he had no power to negotiate a contract anyway and that wasn't anywhere near as calculated as this media blitz is. There's no real reason for Nanne to lie about having had a conversation with the Wild owner and GM, and he's clearly connected to both sides - this isn't one of 'us' claiming to have run into Lou at Panera's and hearing that Lou's going to make an 8-56 offer to Suter.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 15 June 2012 - 03:44 PM.

[maxpower]

It's not enough for the league to act proactively right now to the point of barring the Wild from signing Zach, which I don't know if the league would be allowed to anyway even if there was a video of a meeting.

However, if he does end up signing an offer very similar to what's been rumored, you better believe there will be an investigation. Publicly disclosing, either directly or indirectly, an intended offer to a player still under contract falls under the NHL's bylaws' definition of tampering. What the penalty would be is more difficult to say.

But a reporter blabbing something doesn't really mean anything. Numbers get thrown around all the time.