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#41 HellOnICE

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:33 AM

I crapped on Marty. I is proven wrong. Still hope he rides off into the sunset though, because it's not going to get any better for him than what we saw. (hopes a year from now he's raising the Cup and this thread is awesome)
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:58 AM

I stand by everything I said about Kovalchuk. The Devils paid too much, didn't get enough out of him for someone who led the NHL in forward minutes, has no defensive awareness/desire (see HEART) and suddenly disappeared in the finals after he supposedly got well (or better) after one game against Filthadelphia. I continue to find the soltuion for goaltending, defense, more depth at center, and a powerplay who does not have such high risk on the point (see Kovalchuk) to be top concerns for next year.

The Devils got farther than I thought and I thought I might eat my words until game one of the finals. Nothing has changed and despite what the overwelming majority of Devils fans on this board think, there are many outside of it who agree that Kovalchuk is a "bust". Many players have helped teams to the finals, but if they do not win... well, did they really help? Does anyone remember who helped the Flyers to the SCF in the late 90's? How about who helped Detroit in '95? What about Dallas in 2000? Probably not... because if you do not win it does not matter.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:01 AM

I said I wouldn't call out anyone, but since C17 decided to be a dick and try and ruin a fun thread...well wtf. My thread and I changed my mind. But only to him because he is part of the reason I started this thread, and he said we could before the season started if he was wrong. Some people have an opinion, and it's fine. You don't like a contract...cool. You think Marty is finished...fine. You didn't think Pete was the right choice...okay. But if you had a hard stance and were proven wrong...just fess up. Many did, but unfortunately there are posters like Chorske on this board. Now difference of opinion is fine, but he is just a straight up hater who had bold opinions all year, and spewed a lot of crap any chance he got. That happens more than it is needed. But after a great season many of those posters don't show up. At least Chorske did, but to still call out Kovalchuk on his heart and determination and the success of the team..and then to say if the Devils don't win, did anyone really help....well that's just so much fvcking crap. What's so great about him is he asked people to call him out if he was wrong. Now he said he wouldn't be, but we could "destroy his name" if he was wrong.

Without furthur ado...this jerkoff (And this will be the last of me acknowledging him in this thread. This is just a perfect example of the ungrateful fans on these boards. Not many of them, but there are a few. And if you can't appreciate everyone's contributions, including Kovalchuk, and what this team accomplished, well you are one miserable human being).

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After a 3 point night with the GWG:



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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:08 AM

I thought we would get destroyed by the Flyers.

I was so pleased to be wrong.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:10 AM

I thought we would get destroyed by the Flyers.

I was so pleased to be wrong.


Thought the Devils were losing in five to the Flyers.

Then thought they were losing in six to the Rangers.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:09 PM

I made fun of Clarkson, and was hard on Brodeur all year long.

I loved being wrong this season.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:52 PM

Thought the Devils were losing in five to the Flyers.

Then thought they were losing in six to the Rangers.


Once we got past the flyers i was more optimistic about the rangers. But not much.

Edited by Chimaira_Devil_#9, 14 June 2012 - 02:53 PM.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:13 PM

Is there anyone else that thinks we're taking Salvador's playoffs a little too far? Sure he gave amazing production offensively, but at the end of the day he didn't have a stellar regular season and it's not like he played shutdown defense which is really the only reason to keep him around. Personally I'm happy letting Zid and Larsson take care of the offensive duties as they are the true Offense Defensemen and letting Salvador walk. It will be hard to say good bye but in the end that's life and it will hurt more to over-pay Sal then to watch him leave.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

I thought Sal was our best defenseman throughout the entire season. Every team needs a guy like him, and he brings a tremendous amount of leadership. I want him back but only with a reasonable contract.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:53 PM

I personally would rather spend the money on Parise and our others UFAs then hopefully sign a formidable free agent to fill a void that will hopefully be from Bernier's exit.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:04 PM

I was apoplectic about the Greene contract extension.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

I stand by everything I said about Kovalchuk. The Devils paid too much, didn't get enough out of him for someone who led the NHL in forward minutes, has no defensive awareness/desire (see HEART) and suddenly disappeared in the finals after he supposedly got well (or better) after one game against Filthadelphia. I continue to find the soltuion for goaltending, defense, more depth at center, and a powerplay who does not have such high risk on the point (see Kovalchuk) to be top concerns for next year.

The Devils got farther than I thought and I thought I might eat my words until game one of the finals. Nothing has changed and despite what the overwelming majority of Devils fans on this board think, there are many outside of it who agree that Kovalchuk is a "bust". Many players have helped teams to the finals, but if they do not win... well, did they really help? Does anyone remember who helped the Flyers to the SCF in the late 90's? How about who helped Detroit in '95? What about Dallas in 2000? Probably not... because if you do not win it does not matter.


Like Tom Chorske? I'm sure we all remember his playoff heroics in 1995.


Kovalchuk finished second in playoff points and assists, and tied for first with goals. He did that with a severely injured back. I don't know if you've ever had a back injury, but one thing that helps you get through something like that and play at a high level is "desire (see HEART)".

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:37 PM

Like Tom Chorske? I'm sure we all remember his playoff heroics in 1995.


Kovalchuk finished second in playoff points and assists, and tied for first with goals. He did that with a severely injured back. I don't know if you've ever had a back injury, but one thing that helps you get through something like that and play at a high level is "desire (see HEART)".

And to devilsrule33, :clap2: :cheers:


Tom Chorske...fleet feet and hands of stone. Never saw someone get so many breakaways...and have no idea what to do once he got to the goalie...

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 14 June 2012 - 04:37 PM.

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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 06:26 PM

mirtle: Hearing Kovalchuk's back injury was fairly significant - still needs tests to figure out how extensive it is. An issue since game he missed.


Wonder if Chorske will actually admit he's an ******* if it turns out Kovy has to miss time next season because of a significant injury that he played through for weeks? Nah, he'll probably just say it's good for the team :rolleyes:

Edited by NJDevs4978, 14 June 2012 - 06:27 PM.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:00 PM

I was wrong about:

1. Brodeur - I wanted him to not play another game after getting pulled in round 1 until Hedberg gave him a reason to. I had zero faith in him basically all postseason long.
2. 4th Line - I thought it was an abomination. I am 100% against rolling only 3 lines in the modern NHL but I thought we might have to some games this postseason.
3. Henrique - I remember JasonMacIssac talking him up big time at the beginning of the year. I thought it was just the usual "inflate the prospects' value" talk that always happens with team bases. It may have been but it was correct this time.
4. Clarkson - I thought his contract was horrible. I hated watching him play hockey. Still he's a unique player and helps the team win. Great year for him.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:58 PM

Impossible to argue the Kovy move, even if Kovy had walked after the season. There wasn't a player dealt that was anywhere near Kovy's league, and the main prospect (Bergfors) in that deal isn't even an NHL player anymore.


I have been avoiding most Devils news these days. Still a little bitter over the way game 6 went down. It may have been mentioned elsewhere, and I apologize if I missed it, but has there been any discussion on Kovys injury. We all speculated he was injured, and certainly did not look like himself in the later rounds, but I haven't seen a comfirmed ailment. Again I have been avoiding much of the press, but haven't seen this mentioned. Any word?

Edited by chrisg19, 14 June 2012 - 11:01 PM.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:06 PM

If you disagree with the fact that Kovalchuk helped this team make the Stanley Cup then you are delusional. Who would of picked up his 36 goals and he had 46 assists, he obviously made the players around him better. His plus minus would not even be bad if it wasn't for that strange period of short handed goals against. You can even argue we would not of even made the playoffs without his numerous shootout winners. He was a dominant force in the playoffs with 19pts even with a severe back injury. He made key assists in overtimes and even had a huge forecheck that lead to a game winner against New York. I am proud that this man is our team.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 11:39 PM

Before I add something positive I wrote, I'll say a few things I was wrong about. I have been as big of a Marty supporter on this board. When people wanted Hedberg to split time with Marty or go with Hedberg full-time at Marty's worst point, I thought the answer was to give Marty full workload other than most of the back-to-backs. But after game 3, I was at a loss for words, and in the chat, I was incredulous when Pete announced after the game that Marty would start game 4. How could he do that after such a bad game? And not even sleep on it either? I wanted Hedberg to start game 4. It was the first time I had turned my back on Marty as a Devils fan. Well the rest is history as Brodeur responded like he usually does with a 26 save shutout.

Oh ya, I thought the Flyers would sweep the Devils.

Alright, on to the good (and yes I said feel free to share anything positive you wrote either, but it is partially good as I changed my tune a bit on Jamie, who I was defending a lot). A lot of people were down when veteran defenseman Colin White was bought out. It turned out to be a fine move. Below is what I wrote at the time, and I think a lot of it worked out the way I was hoping. All year we heard about how well the entire team get along and enjoyed hanging out with each other, how special this group was. We probably heard that maybe 1000 times. It made me wonder about how rough it was the past few years. Everyone seemed to like guys like Pandolfo, White, Rolston and Jamie, but when they aren't happy with their play or happy with who is playing where they think they should be, maybe they just aren't so great to be around or aren't so nice to those kids taking their spots. Either way, this was a really happy group. A new young team with great leadership.

I think we're seeing Lou finally...finally...get what so many of us wanted over the years. To change the old guard, the coach killers, etc. It's just Brodeur and Elias...that's it. Even if Lou wanted to get rid of Elias (not seeing he wants to or ever would just it's almost impossible). Two players with rings. That might scare people, but I for one welcome our new inexperienced overlords. Clearly it wasn't working, and you can't be unhappy about Larry, Lou, Julien, Lou, Sutter, Lemaire, MacLean, Lemaire, Deboer, and then be unhappy with these moves. It took Lou long enough, but past success and loyalty turned into a combination of self-entitlement, groupthink, and then the disease of me.

Maybe it took Lou to see Claude Julien take an inexperienced Bruins team to the Cup finals to say maybe it was them and not the damn coach. It finally took Lou a few years to forget about the past and do what's right for this team to succeed moving forward. Follow the NFL route where veterans (no matter how successful in the past) are cut at the right time, which is as soon as they start to decline, or sometimes right before.

And maybe, I was guilty of this last year, but am finally seeing it a lot more clearer. A guy like Rolston might be the nicest guy in the locker room, and a guy like Jamie might be a great guy for the younger guys like Zach and Travis, but that doesn't mean that they deserve what they want, and it doesn't mean they can act the way they do. When you become a Devil, respecting the history, the crest on the front and not the name on the back, the team values, and so on is what you are taught and what you should follow. Guys like Pandolfo, Rolston, White, Langenbrunner, Arnott, Madden, even Elias are the players you respect. They are the veterans, the warriors, the champions But the reality is they were not acting like leaders. The last few years has not always been a good environment for younger players. And it probably was a partial reason why this team has gone in prolong slumps. Younger players were probably taking the wrong cues from veteran players.

As corny as it sounds, the past is almost finished being wiped away. It's time for a new beginning, a new generation and new leaders. This is an exciting time. There will be growing pains, and there will be bumps. But these bumps will be much better than the ones of the past 6 years. Because Lou and the Devils are doing it the right way.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:08 AM

I have been avoiding most Devils news these days. Still a little bitter over the way game 6 went down. It may have been mentioned elsewhere, and I apologize if I missed it, but has there been any discussion on Kovys injury. We all speculated he was injured, and certainly did not look like himself in the later rounds, but I haven't seen a comfirmed ailment. Again I have been avoiding much of the press, but haven't seen this mentioned. Any word?



Only thing I have seen is PDB confirming that Kovy was not 100%.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:28 AM

Don't worry the team I wanted to win won!


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You rooted for the Kings, you claim not to be a Devils fan anymore...why are you even on this message board anymore? Get the hell out of here. It's pretty clear nobody agrees with you or wants you around.

In fact, I'm surprised you haven't been banned by now for making multiple accounts on the site and using them to harass other users. The IP addresses proved it. You're a joke.
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