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[Triumph]

if the Leafs got fined for tampering when Wilson talked about their interest in the Sedins i dont know why the wild isnt tampering now... i guess because it wasnt said "directly" in a press conference or wtv

the person who made these comments does not work for the Wild.

[LaCava83]

the person who made these comments does not work for the Wild.

exactly...

[Daniel]

the person who made these comments does not work for the Wild.

There could be an investigation to determine whether Wild management intentionally brought it up with the aim of getting the statement out there. Same thing in principle as a third-party "independently" contacting a player's agent saying, "I've got it on good authority that this is what team x is prepared to offer."

Honestly, if this plays out the way Nanne claimed it would, I would not be shocked if there is some kind of investigation.

[NJDevs4978]

There could be an investigation to determine whether Wild management intentionally brought it up with the aim of getting the statement out there. Same thing in principle as a third-party "independently" contacting a player's agent saying, "I've got it on good authority that this is what team x is prepared to offer."

Honestly, if this plays out the way Nanne claimed it would, I would not be shocked if there is some kind of investigation.

Yeah, this is a sneaky way to try to get around the tampering charge, no question. In many ways, this is far worse than Wilson saying 'we might have an interest in the Sedins', especially since Wilson has no power to negotiate. People that do have the power to offer contracts (the Wild owner and GM) let word leak through a friendly third party that they would be ready to basically throw Zach a blank check by saying they won't be outbid, and in another article the numbers $8-9 million a year were floated out there.

Really, something needs to be done to close this tampering loophole because if it isn't, a million teams are going to get figures out in the media this way, through an intermediary. People who work for the organization just cannot be allowed to tell anyone outside of the organization their plans for free agent X, period. I realize it's going to happen surreptitiously at times, but it can't be done in such a brazen public fashion, or the 'exclusive negotiating' window is meaningless.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 15 June 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

How about just letting GMs talk about whatever players they want? I don't understand why this tampering rule even exists really. Why is it so awful for a GM to talk about interest in another team's player in the media? I guess it could be used as a weapon (pretending to have trade talks about players) but why is that so bad? It would make for more interesting copy.

[Daniel]

How about just letting GMs talk about whatever players they want? I don't understand why this tampering rule even exists really. Why is it so awful for a GM to talk about interest in another team's player in the media? I guess it could be used as a weapon (pretending to have trade talks about players) but why is that so bad? It would make for more interesting copy.

You have tampering rules because, otherwise, there would be no point in having a date that opens free agency. Also imagine a situation where a player's agent, or perhaps the player himself, is getting calls from a bunch of teams during the season. Permitting tampering would also make the idea of trading a player's rights pointless.

[jim777]

I think Parise will sign with the Rags before the NHL does ANYTHING to the Wild here. i don't think the league goes out of their way to hurt us necessarily, but they sure won't go out of their way to help us.

[Daniel]

I think Parise will sign with the Rags before the NHL does ANYTHING to the Wild here. i don't think the league goes out of their way to hurt us necessarily, but they sure won't go out of their way to help us.

We got a pretty nice reward for the Blues tampering with Stevens, not to mention being awarded Stevens in the first place. And that was back during the time when it was common wisdom that the Devils were destroying the league.

Edited by Daniel, 15 June 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[grcenter47]

i am kind of confused with the role of an agent during free agency but here is an example:

Lets say hypothetically these three teams offer 10 year contracts:

DEVILS $75 million
WILD $110 million
RANGERS $85 million

Now lets say Parise only wants to play with the Devils and has no interest in signing anywhere else. Can the agent force him or encourage to him play elsewhere to get the most money (since the agent will get a cut of the money)

I doubt this happens but was just curious. I am assuming if this happens, Parise would just fire his agent

[Zubie#8]

i am kind of confused with the role of an agent during free agency but here is an example:

Lets say hypothetically these three teams offer 10 year contracts:

DEVILS $75 million
WILD $110 million
RANGERS $85 million

Now lets say Parise only wants to play with the Devils and has no interest in signing anywhere else. Can the agent force him or encourage to him play elsewhere to get the most money (since the agent will get a cut of the money)

I doubt this happens but was just curious. I am assuming if this happens, Parise would just fire his agent

Everyone should be like Marty and have no agent.

Edited by Zubie#8, 15 June 2012 - 12:08 PM.

[Triumph]

We got a pretty nice reward for the Blues tampering with Stevens, not to mention being awarded Stevens in the first place. And that was back during the time when it was common wisdom that the Devils were destroying the league.

There was physical evidence of the Blues GM negotiating before the assigned date.

This isn't tampering, guys. If Zach's agents didn't know that Minnesota would make the biggest offer, they probably shouldn't be his agents.

[jim777]

There was physical evidence of the Blues GM negotiating before the assigned date.

This isn't tampering, guys. If Zach's agents didn't know that Minnesota would make the biggest offer, they probably shouldn't be his agents.

I think the Stevens debacle was also just before we started destroying the league, not during

[Devil Dan 56]

i am kind of confused with the role of an agent during free agency but here is an example:

Lets say hypothetically these three teams offer 10 year contracts:

DEVILS $75 million
WILD $110 million
RANGERS $85 million

Now lets say Parise only wants to play with the Devils and has no interest in signing anywhere else. Can the agent force him or encourage to him play elsewhere to get the most money (since the agent will get a cut of the money)

I doubt this happens but was just curious. I am assuming if this happens, Parise would just fire his agent

The agent can't force anything. He can suggest, and his job is to get his client the best possible offer. Parise has the final say.

Brodeur fired his agent in 95 because the agent wanted him to hold out and Marty just wanted to work out a deal.

[Daniel]

There was physical evidence of the Blues GM negotiating before the assigned date.

This isn't tampering, guys. If Zach's agents didn't know that Minnesota would make the biggest offer, they probably shouldn't be his agents.

All Brian Burke did was answer a question and say he might be interested in signing the Sedins and he was fined for tampering.

This isn't a matter of being a homer. Someone who used to be with the organization, who, after having a meeting with current management, makes essentially the same pitch that they would make after noon on July 1. That, at the very least, warrants an investigation.

Ultimately though, the worst that would happen is a fine, or maybe the forfeit of a low draft pick.

[Chuck the Duck]

You have tampering rules because, otherwise, there would be no point in having a date that opens free agency. Also imagine a situation where a player's agent, or perhaps the player himself, is getting calls from a bunch of teams during the season. Permitting tampering would also make the idea of trading a player's rights pointless.

I think this is the exact scenario that happens in international soccer. Their transfer policies are a mess, and there is constant talk amongst agents and team managers about player movement in the middle of the season with the player under contract to another team. It's great for bloggers nad journalists, but horrible for the fans as there's always talk about who's getting brought in and who's leaving once the transfer window opens.

[Vic Rattlehead18]

Everyone should be like Marty and have no agent.

If I played for the devils I wouldn't have an agent. In lou I trust!

[Jimmy Leeds]

I think the Stevens debacle was also just before we started destroying the league, not during

Yes. We began destroying the league about 2 years later!

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

The agent can't force anything. He can suggest, and his job is to get his client the best possible offer. Parise has the final say.

Brodeur fired his agent in 95 because the agent wanted him to hold out and Marty just wanted to work out a deal.

Brodeur's agent (Gilles Lupien) did negotiate Brodeur's '95 deal (a three-year contract), but the process was so contentious and acrimonius that, by the time Marty was ready for his next contract, Lou told Marty straight out "Do what you want, but I'm not dealing with Lupien anymore." Lou and Marty then sat down and negotiated a four-year deal (I think for about $4 million per season). This was actually pretty miraculous in ways, in that Marty felt his '95 deal was unfair, so much so that he had said after he signed it that he would never sign another contract with the Devils again.

Shortly after his new four-year pact was signed, Marty had lunch with Lupien, where Marty informed Lupien about what he had done...Marty then asked Lupien how much money he owed him. Lupien took out a pen, wrote something on a napkin, then handed it to Brodeur. Tha napkin read "0". Lupien was furious with Marty for basically acting as his own agent. Marty realized he didn't need Lupien anymore, so they quickly settled a previous debt (Marty owed Lupien some money), then they went their separate ways.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 16 June 2012 - 05:15 AM.

[EdgeControl]

I WANT SUTER. am i tampering?? Do we really view the wild as a threat? I dont

[Devils Pride 26]

A look at the Parise situation along with why I think Zach wouldn't sign with the Rangers.

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