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#141 Triumph

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:21 PM

http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=636351&navid=DL|LAK|home

Based on what? He'll probably be worse than he was this year but I don't see him being below average.


Based on the fact that no one has any goddamn idea who the good goalies are, besides 2 or 3 guys. Quick could just be another Ryan Miller. Remember when everyone thought he was clearly a top goalie?
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:22 PM

Ryan Miller didn't win a Stanley Cup with a GAA of under 1.5. He didn't even win a gold medal.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:25 PM

How is Crosby suppose to become a Devil if he agreed to a 12 year deal with the Penguins?
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

Fvck Quick and Fvck Crosby.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

Ryan Miller didn't win a Stanley Cup with a GAA of under 1.5. He didn't even win a gold medal.


I'm sure if you looked in Ryan Miller's career history, you can find a 20 game sample with play that good. Quick might've just become one of the league's elite goalies, or he could be a decent goalie on a huge hot streak, which happens all the time.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:32 PM

I'm sure if you looked in Ryan Miller's career history, you can find a 20 game sample with play that good. Quick might've just become one of the league's elite goalies, or he could be a decent goalie on a huge hot streak, which happens all the time.


And Cam Ward haha.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:41 PM

Goalie performance is pretty random, but it's not THAT random. There is persistence. I think you all are overstating how chaotic it can be. Cam Ward hasn't had a sv% below .915 the past 4 years, so he's a poor example imo for what you're talking about.

Quick has had a pretty great start to his career, this isn't just a Gigeure/Halak hot playoff goalie situation. This contract could easily become a mistake and I think the Kings D doesn't get enough credit for his performance this year, but I don't expect him to suddenly become a below average goaltender.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

this isn't just a Gigeure/Halak hot playoff goalie situation


It's not an impossibility. No one knows how he plays going forward.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

Hey, remember Steve Mason?
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:57 PM

Hey, remember Steve Mason?


I rather have Chris Mason over Steve Mason at this point. Steve's confidence is beyond repair.

Speaking of Quick however - I saw this on HF and had a good laugh:

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:08 PM

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Look for #Kings Quick 10 year deal at 58M to be front loaded comparable to #NHL deal #Preds have for Rinne that pays him 7M first 7yrs.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:16 PM

Goalie performance is pretty random, but it's not THAT random. There is persistence. I think you all are overstating how chaotic it can be. Cam Ward hasn't had a sv% below .915 the past 4 years, so he's a poor example imo for what you're talking about.

Quick has had a pretty great start to his career, this isn't just a Gigeure/Halak hot playoff goalie situation. This contract could easily become a mistake and I think the Kings D doesn't get enough credit for his performance this year, but I don't expect him to suddenly become a below average goaltender.


He hasn't, though. I mean, LA undercounts shots, but Quick has 1 top 10 save percentage season: this one. There really isn't much persistence.

Cam Ward's last 4 seasons - one is above average, the rest are average. That's the point. The Kings might expect Quick to be a .925 goalie going forward, but if he's a .915 goalie this deal doesn't look good at all. I think it's as good of a deal as they could hope to sign, but it's a giant risk.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:18 PM

He hasn't, though. I mean, LA undercounts shots, but Quick has 1 top 10 save percentage season: this one. There really isn't much persistence.

Cam Ward's last 4 seasons - one is above average, the rest are average. That's the point. The Kings might expect Quick to be a .925 goalie going forward, but if he's a .915 goalie this deal doesn't look good at all. I think it's as good of a deal as they could hope to sign, but it's a giant risk.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:23 PM

I rather have Chris Mason over Steve Mason at this point. Steve's confidence is beyond repair.

Speaking of Quick however - I saw this on HF and had a good laugh:

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I meant remember Steve Mason had a phenomenal rookie season and fell off. Quick isn't certified solid gold like our #30.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:32 PM

Ryan Miller didn't win a Stanley Cup with a GAA of under 1.5. He didn't even win a gold medal.



True and as a Sabres fan Miller is overpaid right now $6.25M on the books for the next 2 years)

Miller did win a Veniza however, and has had his moments. Miller is a very good goalie with elite stretches (Miller was unconscious the last 2 months of this past season, until Ehrhoff and Myers both went down and the team ran out of gas late), that is a big difference between an elite goalie who is elite almost all the time. VERY few truly elite goalies have ever existed (Brodeur, Hasek and Roy, to name 3)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:22 PM

Jonathan Bernier wants a trade and the Devils are in the running.

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland

Next move the ‪#LAKINGS‬ will be to trade Jonathan Bernier who has asked to be moved. ‪#devils‬ ‪#Leafs‬ ‪#blackhawks‬ all possibilties

Followed up with another Strickland tweet:

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‪#LAKINGS‬ told Bernier they would look to move him once a contract with Quick was finalized

https://twitter.com/...442363629076482
https://twitter.com/...442363629076482

Edited by TheMazz, 28 June 2012 - 05:25 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:27 PM

Jonathan Bernier wants a trade and the Devils are in the running.

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland

Next move the ‪#LAKINGS‬ will be to trade Jonathan Bernier who has asked to be moved. ‪#devils‬ ‪#Leafs‬ ‪#blackhawks‬ all possibilties

Followed up with another Strickland tweet:

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland

‪#LAKINGS‬ told Bernier they would look to move him once a contract with Quick was finalized

https://twitter.com/...442363629076482
https://twitter.com/...442363629076482


I imagine the Leafs and Hawks are more desperate than us to acquire him. I would be surprised if the Devils interest was anything more than a quick check to see what goods would have to go to LA.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:35 PM

Well I thought the Leafs are/were the front runners for Luongo. To the Devils it would make the most sense - A lot of goalies have been going for just draft picks so I don't think the Devils would need to give up anymore then that. A prospect perhaps as well.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

Janssen for bernier straight up.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

Well I thought the Leafs are/were the front runners for Luongo. To the Devils it would make the most sense - A lot of goalies have been going for just draft picks so I don't think the Devils would need to give up anymore then that. A prospect perhaps as well.


Urbom, Tedenby and a second. No to Merrill. Don't want to give up a first and run the risk of losing a top pick in next years draft if the season turns out to be a disaster.
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