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[Triumph]

If you expand your search to ages 39-46 you'll find that Marty's season this past year ranks him #6 on that list in save percentage and second in wins. Not terrible, really.

Yeah, because a .908 save percentage is what you want. I mean, some of that is the Prudential home scoring, but still, how can that give you more faith?

The only thing that's good about that list is that there aren't many 40 year old goalies and a lot of them came back when save percentage was wonky because there were 500 power plays a season (2005-06).

[Satans Hockey]

Our real problem lies with the goaltenders we have drafted. I mean seriously, who is the last goalie besides Marty that we drafted that actually became anything? Mike Dunham? LOL

[ThreeCups]

Lou did the right thing...

Marty will finish his career as a Devil, with over 700 career wins...

Now let's hope Zach resigns, and we may another glorious Cup run next spring!!!

[NewarkDevil5]

It'll have to work because a ~.910 save percentage is what Marty's given us most of his career. His career average is .913 so I don't think that .908 is that terrible of a drop really.

[Daniel]

3 of those results are Dominik Hasek who played for the best teams post-lockout.

As I've argued, I think a #29 pick now is worth a #20 pick in 2 years, but the Devils have absolutely no guarantee of putting themselves in that position, not with ol' slow-starts in net.

I would just take you one further and say that even if we had Marty from six years ago in net, it's very unlikely thatwe'd be drafting that low again.

[devlman]

It'll have to work because a ~.910 save percentage is what Marty's given us most of his career. His career average is .913 so I don't think that .908 is that terrible of a drop really.

Exactly. And Marty won't be starting the vast majority of games anyway. I'm glad we signed our legend.

[thefiestygoat]

All I care about his him being a career Devil. Love this deal.

[Devil Dan 56]

Our real problem lies with the goaltenders we have drafted. I mean seriously, who is the last goalie besides Marty that we drafted that actually became anything? Mike Dunham? LOL

Haha good point...

1990: (1)Brodeur, (3)Dunham, (10)Corey Schwab.
1993: (9)Judd Lambert.
1994: (6)Luciano Caravaggio, (10)Scott Swanjord
1995: (5)Chris Mason, (8)Frederic Henry
1997: (1)Jean Francois Damphousse, (8)Scott Clemmensen
1999: (1)Ari Ahonen
2000: (5)Matus Kostur
2003: (6)Jason Smith
2004: (6)Josh Disher
2005: (2)Jeff Frazee
2010: (3)Scott Wedgewood, (6)Maxime Clermont


Looks like of these, Chris Mason and Scott Clemmensen were the only ones after Marty's draft year. But, it's also pretty clear that after 1999, it wasn't much of a focus for the Devils.

[Triumph]

I would just take you one further and say that even if we had Marty from six years ago in net, it's very unlikely thatwe'd be drafting that low again.

You're not really understanding what I am saying. Let's say that there's no circumvention penalty. The Devils have their #29th overall pick. If you somehow knew that a team would finish 20th in 2 years, would you exchange 1st round picks with them? No, you wouldn't, because a draft pick now is worth more than a draft pick later. It's not about how low you finish - picks 20-30 aren't that far different from one another. The key is getting that low in the draft again, and it might be difficult to do with poor goaltending.

Nd5: goaltending has changed a lot since Brodeur started his career - a .913 was a great save percentage back then, now it is merely average. And again, some of that has to do with undercounting shots - if Brodeur played in Chicago or Florida, his career save percentage would probably be .006 higher.

Edited by Triumph, 02 July 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Satans Hockey]

Haha good point...

1990: (1)Brodeur, (3)Dunham, (10)Corey Schwab.
1993: (9)Judd Lambert.
1994: (6)Luciano Caravaggio, (10)Scott Swanjord
1995: (5)Chris Mason, (8)Frederic Henry
1997: (1)Jean Francois Damphousse, (8)Scott Clemmensen
1999: (1)Ari Ahonen
2000: (5)Matus Kostur
2003: (6)Jason Smith
2004: (6)Josh Disher
2005: (2)Jeff Frazee
2010: (3)Scott Wedgewood, (6)Maxime Clermont


Looks like of these, Chris Mason and Scott Clemmensen were the only ones after Marty's draft year. But, it's also pretty clear that after 1999, it wasn't much of a focus for the Devils.

I forgot about Mason and don't know how I forgot about Clemmensen but ya the proof is all right there. None of these guys have gone on to become really great number 1 starters anywhere. Mason had a few years as a starter but ended up falling off. Clemmensen wasn't even the starter come playoff time this year.

Hopefully Wedgewood comes through but we are going to have to wait and see.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

You're not really understanding what I am saying. Let's say that there's no circumvention penalty. The Devils have their #29th overall pick. If you somehow knew that a team would finish 20th in 2 years, would you exchange 1st round picks with them? No, you wouldn't, because a draft pick now is worth more than a draft pick later. It's not about how low you finish - picks 20-30 aren't that far different from one another. The key is getting that low in the draft again, and it might be difficult to do with poor goaltending.

Nd5: goaltending has changed a lot since Brodeur started his career - a .913 was a great save percentage back then, now it is merely average. And again, some of that has to do with undercounting shots - if Brodeur played in Chicago or Florida, his career save percentage would probably be .006 higher.

This is what made Hasek so good in his prime...when he averaged a .930 save% over six years back in the 90s ('93-'99), NO ONE else was doing that.

And Roy is at .910, and he started his career when .900+ was considered outstanding. VBK won a Vezina back in '86 with an .887 save%. That figure gets you cut these days.

[Marshall]

Mixed feelings about this, but it is what it is.

[Mindcrime30]

Waaay to much money and time, absolutely insane deal if you ask me.

Is nobody else pissed at Marty? I haven't seen that opinion offered yet.

If he really did live for this team and was so loyal then he would have taken a reasonable contract for what he was actually worth instead of getting money hungry when the team is in financial ruin.

Honestly if it weren't Marty, a 40 year old goalie with his current level of play would be hard pressed to get 2.5 million a year, especially for a 2 year deal. I think a one year 3 million dollar contract would be well beyond fair for Brodeur, and would imagine that's what he was being offered at first.

Hell, I'd rather have Michael Leighton at 900k a year for 2 years than Marty for 2 years @ 4.5m per year. They are both goalies that can get hot but generally aren't up to par and let in major softies.

Yes I respect everything hes done but he isn't doing them anymore and a 2 year deal weighs this team down further when his play hasn't warranted it.

[Neb00rs]

I'm just happy we chose to maintain our status as "oldest team in the league." With age comes wisdom.

[Joe B]

You're not really understanding what I am saying. Let's say that there's no circumvention penalty. The Devils have their #29th overall pick. If you somehow knew that a team would finish 20th in 2 years, would you exchange 1st round picks with them? No, you wouldn't, because a draft pick now is worth more than a draft pick later. It's not about how low you finish - picks 20-30 aren't that far different from one another. The key is getting that low in the draft again, and it might be difficult to do with poor goaltending.

Nd5: goaltending has changed a lot since Brodeur started his career - a .913 was a great save percentage back then, now it is merely average. And again, some of that has to do with undercounting shots - if Brodeur played in Chicago or Florida, his career save percentage would probably be .006 higher.

I've always wondered. How many of our under-counted shots are actually the devils giving up less shots casue marty plays the puck so much and helps the D clear the puck better?

A couple gaffs as well this year(this was the most noticeable the trapezoid rule affected him in a few years) but, when he is playing well, you know he wont get rattled in a big spot.

Not thrilled with the second year, but if any nameless goalie took a team to the finals it'd be tough to not give a second year. I thought he made more highlight reel saves this year then he has in a long time.

He still reminds me of the fastball pitcher that lost his velocity and still wins with junk. Doesn't come back from injury well, but evaluates his game and evolves.

[Devils731]

I've always wondered. How many of our under-counted shots are actually the devils giving up less shots casue marty plays the puck so much and helps the D clear the puck better?

Marty's stickhandling does cut down on the shots he sees, and he doesn't get enough credit for that at times.

In this case, I believe what Triumph is talking about is comparing the Devils home scorer against how the scorers on the road rate the numbers of shots the Devils give up. Marty's stickhandling will cancel out the same number of shots in both places, so it's a moot point when comparing home vs. road.

[RedArmy8]

Lou did the right thing...

Marty will finish his career as a Devil, with over 700 career wins...

Now let's hope Zach resigns, and we may another glorious Cup run next spring!!!

Dead on. Marty buys us two years to find the next franchise goalie.

He can't be replaced here for any price.

Edited by RedArmy8, 02 July 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[third man in]

Waaay to much money and time, absolutely insane deal if you ask me.

Is nobody else pissed at Marty? I haven't seen that opinion offered yet.

If he really did live for this team and was so loyal then he would have taken a reasonable contract for what he was actually worth instead of getting money hungry when the team is in financial ruin.

Honestly if it weren't Marty, a 40 year old goalie with his current level of play would be hard pressed to get 2.5 million a year, especially for a 2 year deal. I think a one year 3 million dollar contract would be well beyond fair for Brodeur, and would imagine that's what he was being offered at first.

Hell, I'd rather have Michael Leighton at 900k a year for 2 years than Marty for 2 years @ 4.5m per year. They are both goalies that can get hot but generally aren't up to par and let in major softies.

Yes I respect everything hes done but he isn't doing them anymore and a 2 year deal weighs this team down further when his play hasn't warranted it.

And how much money did Brodeur leave on the table by negotiating his own deals and never testing FA all those years?

And Leighton over Brodeur? They don't belong in the same sentence.

[Neb00rs]

I'm so glad we signed our GM, so now we can sign our big UFA.

[ghdi]

I think losing Marty and Parise in the same offseason could've been devastating for us and in more ways than just on the ice. I'm glad Marty is back. The money doesn't bother me, the extra year is a bit of a nag, but he deserves to decide when his career is over and to do it here.