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Poll: Keeper-gate..... (12 member(s) have cast votes)

What should be the cost for keepers?

  1. Forefeit of draft pick from when player was drafted regardless of if player was cut or re-signed (6 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. if player was signed off waiver wire, drafted or undrafted he's a last round pick (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. no more keepers (3 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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#21 CRASHER

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:37 AM

It really doesnt matter now... it's the ruling that should have been made then. It's all I really want you to say.
You also love to poll in ways that gives your opinion a clear voice, and the counter argument a fragmented voice. This isn't the first poll where myself, Masked, and I assume others are left scratching our head.


Why would I say something that I know not to be true....it's an off-season issue, that means deal with it in the off-season....I'm a task-oriented person and I don't see doing things before they need be done, so why come out and say something that has zero truth to it??:unsure:

I also give the option in any vote for a write-in.....and any good write in vote I'm sure has the chance to gain steam and make itself happen just as easily as any of the other options.....not to mention if it's "so confusing".... ASK and it can be clarified....between me Clown, Brian and Laflamme there's plenty of "Scott to English" translators who can interpret :)
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:58 PM

Why would I say something that I know not to be true....it's an off-season issue, that means deal with it in the off-season....I'm a task-oriented person and I don't see doing things before they need be done, so why come out and say something that has zero truth to it??:unsure:

I can't not even begin to express the frustration I have arguing with you. You just repeat yourself constantly ignoring the counter point.

I'm making a new poll:


Does Crasher argue points well:

1) No
2) In respect to the 2011 season, about 2012 fantasy, or on good whiskey, or proper goalie positioning, yes
3) I hate Crasher no matter what


between me Clown, Brian and Laflamme

Oh yes, another year of that. How could I forget :)

Edited by aylbert, 09 July 2012 - 01:06 PM.

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#23 aylbert

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

LASTLY: To be clear... the new rule is, if a player is drafted, AT ALL, he will maintain his draft position. (Manning was not a waiver pickup, he cleared waivers and was a free agent pickup)


So only truly, undrafted players get to be 15th round keepers?

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:51 PM

I'm making a new poll:


Does Crasher argue points well:
1) No
2) In respect to the 2011 season, about 2012 fantasy, or on good whiskey, or proper goalie positioning, yes
3) I hate Crasher no matter what

LASTLY: To be clear... the new rule is, if a player is drafted, AT ALL, he will maintain his draft position. (Manning was not a waiver pickup, he cleared waivers and was a free agent pickup)

So only truly, undrafted players get to be 15th round keepers?


Yes on the keeper rule

and CMONNN, even I'm voting #3 in that poll :boogie:
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I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease


CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:
gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??

2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!

2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)

4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)
TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?

2008 NJDevs Stanley Cup Winner for best overall poster... where's my damn ring?

June 6, 2007... the NHL dies just a little bit.....
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

Well undrafted players and actual 15th round picks lol.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

Well undrafted players and actual 15th round picks lol.

Commish already confirmed! TOO LATE :P jk
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:25 PM

So wait a minute, all this back and forth for a long time now, and Ayl is gonna keep Arian Foster the entire time anyway??? :blink:

I'll believe that as much as Zach Pari$e and $uter didn't orchestrate their move to Minnesota months on advance...

You HAD to be planning to protect Manning in the 15th round..

For the record, I voted for NO keepers and I picked Cam Netwon in the 14th round...just an FYI....

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Edited by LOTCB, 09 July 2012 - 04:26 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

So wait a minute, all this back and forth for a long time now, and Ayl is gonna keep Arian Foster the entire time anyway??? :blink:

I'll believe that as much as Zach Pari$e and $uter didn't orchestrate their move to Minne$ota months on advance...


:rofl:
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:19 AM

So wait a minute, all this back and forth for a long time now, and Ayl is gonna keep Arian Foster the entire time anyway??? :blink:
I'll believe that as much as Zach Pari$e and $uter didn't orchestrate their move to Minnesota months on advance...
You HAD to be planning to protect Manning in the 15th round..

I entertained keeping Manning... and honestly, would be thinking about it a lot up until I hit post.

If I had Manning at 15th, I'd likely try (and fail) to trade my way to the top 3... so in all likelihood would have kept Foster.

I still would very much like the choice, and think I should have the choice given the lack of a ruling last season. Butttttttt, I'm not getting into that.
I also very much love to argue. /shocking





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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:46 PM

Well here are the new and final keeper values for last year (bolded the ones that got changed from a 15, like Manning and others who got dropped then picked back up by the same team or another team). Most of the changes are minor, really. Just check your roster before keepers get locked to make sure I didn't overlook anything.

The ones with a strikethrough are ineligible to be kept because they were the prior season's keepers. I also struck through Tomlinson cause he retired anyway :P

New Jersey Swamps

Romo – 3rd
Sanchez – 10th (Clown drafted)
McFadden
Bush – 8th
Wells – 4th
Jones-Drew – 1st
D. Brown – 15th (FA)
Wallace – 2nd
Harvin – 7th
Holmes – 5th
Daniels – 6th
Gronkowski – 12th
Bailey – 15th (FA)
Texans – 15th (FA)
Bears – 10th

Team Name TBD

Rodgers – 1st
Ponder – 15th (FA)
Ch. Johnson – 1st
Charles
Helu – 12th (UDX drafted)
Bryant – 3rd
Maclin – 4th
Manningham – 5th
Green – 10th
A. Brown – 15th
Winslow – 10th
Olsen – 12th
Henery – 15th
Praeter – 15th (FA)
Jets – 8th
Seahawks – 15th (FA)

Long Island Iced Z

Fitzpatrick – 10th
Hasselbeck – 15th (FA)
Yates – 15th (FA)
Moore – 15th (FA)
McCoy – 1st
Forte – 3rd
Sproles – 13th
V. Jackson
J. Jones – 6th
J. Nelson – 13th
Boldin – 5th
Gates – 3rd
Kasay – 15th (FA)
Titans – 15th (FA)
Eagles – 8th

Stacked with VALUE

Brady – 2nd
S. Jackson – 2nd
Lynch – 6th
P. Thomas – 7th
F. Jackson – 5th (IR)
Royster - 15th (FA)
Welker – 4th
S. Moss – 7th (UDX drafted)
Washington – 15th (FA)
Crabtree
A. Johnson – 1st
D. Thomas – 15th (FA)
A. Hernandez
Pettigrew – 10th (UDX drafted)
Novak – 15th (FA)
Bengals – 15th (FA)

MantaRavens

Stafford – 7th
Flacco – 6th
Bradshaw
Green-Ellis – 4th
Gerhart – 15th (FA)
Hunter – 12th (CRASHER drafted)
R. Williams – 12th
Bell – 15th (FA)
Jennings – 2nd
Cruz – 15th (FA)
Lloyd – 3rd
Graham – 7th
Akers – 15th (FA)
Ravens – 9th
49ers – 15th (FA)

Occupy MANTA

Newton – 14th
Rivers – 2nd
R. Bush
S. Greene

J. Stewart – 7th
Spiller – 8th
M. Morris – 15th (FA)
Marshall – 5th
Fitzgerald – 1st
S. Johnson – 3rd
Nelson – 15th (FA)
Witten – 4th
Nugent – 15th (FA)
Lions – 14th (Masked drafted)
Falcons – 14th (VALUE drafted)


Waiver Wire Whining

Vick
Roethlisberger – 6th
Tebow – 15th (FA)
Gore – 1st
Mathews – 4th
Thomas – 3rd
K. Smith – 15th (FA)
Tomlinson – 10th (MJ drafted)
Ringer – 15th (FA)
Ca. Johnson – 2nd
T. Smith – 15th (FA)
L. Robinson – 15th (FA)
Gonzalez – 7th
Crosby – 13th
Packers – 8th

Masked Marauders

Brees – 2nd
Bradford – 6th (RSC drafted)
Turner – 1st
F. Jones – 4th
Benson – 5th
Murray – 13th
Woodhead – 11th (Laflamme drafted)
Addai – 6th
Branch – 10th
J. Jones – 15th (FA)
Britt – 7th (IR)
Gresham – 15th (FA)
Chandler – 15th (FA)
Gostkowski – 12th
Cowboys – 9th

Wack MC’s

Dalton – 15th (FA)
V. Young – 15th (FA)
Peterson – 1st
Blount – 3rd
D. Williams – 4th
Starks – 9th
Bowe – 2nd
Nicks
L. Moore – 10th
Douglas – 15th (FA)
Ballard – 15th (FA)
D. Clark – 5th
Hanson – 14th (UDX drafted)
Steelers – 7th
Jaguars – 15th (FA)

Smirking Revenge

A. Smith – 15th (Swamps drafted)
McGahee – 8th
Mendenhall – 1st
Jacobs – 6th (Manta drafted)
K. Williams – 15th (FA)
S. Morris – 15th (FA)
Best (IR) – 3rd
R. White – 2nd
Colston – 5th
Breaston – 14th (CRASHER drafted)
Burress – 8th (VALUE drafted)
Little – 15th (FA)
V. Davis – 6th
Keller – 11th (Clown drafted)
Bryant – 14th (RSC drafted)
Bills – 15th (FA)

Sworn Defenders

Ryan – 4th
Freeman – 6th
Palmer – 15th (FA)
P. Manning – 2nd
Foster – 1st
Tate – 9th
Tolbert – 7th
Grant – 5th
Moreno – 3rd (VALUE drafted)
H. Miller – 15th (FA)
S. Smith – 9th
M. Williams – 4th
R. Wayne – 3rd (Masked drafted)
Doucet – 15th (FA)
Janikowski – 13th
Giants – 14th

Big Blue

E. Manning – 6th
Cutler – 8th
Rice – 1st
Hillis
McCluster – 15th (FA)
Ingram – 4th
Austin – 2nd
Gaffney – 15th (FA)
Baldwin – 15th (FA)
S. Rice – 7th (IR)
D. Jackson – 3rd
Garcon – 11th
Finley – 5th
Bironas – 15th (Laflamme drafted)
Rackers – 14th
Patriots – 9th
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:52 PM

Wow. I think my best candidates for keepers are Lance Moore and Andy Dalton.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:04 AM

Well you could always elect not to choose a keeper at all, though everyone's used it on someone so far.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

Well you could always elect not to choose a keeper at all, though everyone's used it on someone so far.


True... but I think Lance Moore holds more value than a 15th... so it would make sense to keep him rather than draft him late as WR 3/4... it at least give you a jump on your favorite kicker, etc (finishing in r14 rather than r15)
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:13 PM

Lance Moore's a 10th round keeper value...he might actually be drafted 'after' that or in that vicinity, maybe but Saints receivers other than Graham are always a crapshoot week to week and Moore has problems staying healthy. Dalton's a 15th round value, if I were RSC I'd probably just use the keeper on him and get decent value on your backup QB.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 20 July 2012 - 03:28 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:24 PM

Wow. I think my best candidates for keepers are Lance Moore and Andy Dalton.


Ouch! My condolences. So I assume you're not having any keepers then.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

Lance Moore's a 10th round keeper value...he might actually be drafted 'after' that or in that vicinity, maybe but Saints receivers other than Graham are always a crapshoot week to week and Moore has problems staying healthy. Dalton's a 15th round value, if I were RSC I'd probably just use the keeper on him and get decent value on your backup QB.

Yeah, that's most likely what I'm going to do. Only thing about that I'm not crazy about is the fact that it almost eliminates QBs from teams he shares a bye with. But I'd rather work around that than deal with Drew Brees' generosity with the football, I think.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

Who was my keeper last season? Britt? or Thomas and I dropped him??

Edited by Masked Fan, 21 July 2012 - 09:44 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:04 AM

There are 19 days left till camp opens! When are we scheduling this bad boy??
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:19 PM

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:49 PM

Wonder who Im gunna keep...tough choices
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