196 replies to this topic

[BlueSkirt]

Again...I love armchair GM season, let everything play out over the off-season before you judge Lou's work. The man just led us to the SCF...jeez, how soon you all forget.

Personally I think we totally over-achieved in 2012, so with all of the 'status quo' signings, it leaves me to wonder how they'll catch lightning in a bottle again next year....

[Sarge18]

At least there isn't a NTC or NMC present in the deal. Should things settle out financially, he could be traded / buried.

His cap hit cant be buried unless the over 35 thing miraculously changes in the next cba. Its trade or suck. The deal is awful, no two ways around it: too long, too much money, and to the wrong player.

[Satans Hockey]

Again...I love armchair GM season, let everything play out over the off-season before you judge Lou's work. The man just led us to the SCF...jeez, how soon you all forget.

I like Bryce but to give a guy who is 35+ and is 1 concussion away from being retired is not a smart move at all.

[losdiablos103]

I like that he's re-signed, but the amount of years bothers me.

[sundstrom]

simply awful. unless lou is dealing one of the top 4 for a top 6 forward, this makes zero sense. i mean, if he deals say greene, tedenby, urbom and a 2nd for bobby ryan, i guess i'll be ok with this.

actuall, no matter what it makes zero sense. this is simply a terrible indefensible decision.

i have only one possible scenario where i would find this acceptable and it is so ludicrous that i'm sure it's not happening:

parise told lou that sal has to stay and he will take 8/60 if he does.

[third man in]

I'm not crazy about the length either and I'm a bit worried about the log jam at D but I'm giving Lou the benefit of the doubt here. Salvador was excellent all last year for us, while he's no spring chicken...if he can give us good physical shut down play then I'll be content.

[maxpower]

I'm sorry, but this is all wrong. Salvador was NJ's worst 5 on 5 defenseman last year (besides Kurtis Foster, naturally). The problem is that the Devils are paying a not-good player who is over 35, who was never particularly good to begin with, and they're paying him like he is an average defenseman. He isn't, and he's only going to get worse, and they have lots of D prospects who are going to be blocked by this horrible contract.

How was he the worst 5 on 5 defenseman when he out +'s every regular defenseman by 15. I'm sure he was a huge + on the PK, but c'mon. Definitely was better than Volch 5 on 5 because Volch does PK too and was only a +3.

[capo]

I'm sorry, but this is all wrong. Salvador was NJ's worst 5 on 5 defenseman last year (besides Kurtis Foster, naturally). The problem is that the Devils are paying a not-good player who is over 35, who was never particularly good to begin with, and they're paying him like he is an average defenseman. He isn't, and he's only going to get worse, and they have lots of D prospects who are going to be blocked by this horrible contract.

This! Just an absolute dumbass fvcking signing. Are you fvcking serious? C'mon Lou? You suck!

[Triumph]

I don't care about the concussion thing - whatever, that's a risk. I care about the fact that he is ALREADY not good. Maybe if Lou got him at 2.5M per, this makes sense, but it's just a horrible move for a team that has Merrill, Urbom, and Gelinas as potential 3rd pairing LD in the near future.

[MadDog2020]

I like that he's re-signed, but the amount of years bothers me.

That's pretty much it for me too. 2 years would've been plenty. Per TG, Sal took the offers he received to Lou and Lou matched.

[Jimmy Leeds]

parise told lou that sal has to stay and he will take 8/60 if he does.

Shocked I am.

I think Lou feels Zach isn't coming back or he would not have spent this amount of coin on Bryce.

[RedArmy8]

You can't put a price on Leadership and hockey smarts. This was a very good signing.

Shocked I am.

I think Lou feels Zach isn't coming back or he would not have spent this amount of coin on Bryce.

I think just the opposite, he wants to show Zach that the keyparts of the Team that went to the finals will be back.

[Triumph]

How was he the worst 5 on 5 defenseman when he out +'s every regular defenseman by 15. I'm sure he was a huge + on the PK, but c'mon. Definitely was better than Volch 5 on 5 because Volch does PK too and was only a +3.

Salvador was a -1 at 5 on 5 with empty net situations removed. That's why +/- is a total joke.

Fenwick by player:

Zidlicky: 53.4%
Volchenkov: 52.1%
Fayne: 51.5%
Greene: 51.3%
Tallinder: 50.8%
Larsson: 49.6%

...and, of course

Salvador: 46.7%

[third man in]

You can't put a price on Leadership and hockey smarts. This was a very good signing.



I think just the opposite, he wants to show Zach that the keyparts of the Team that went to the finals will be back.

ding ding ding

Lou has forgotten more about hockey than any of us know.

[devilsrule33]

Every great run there are guys that go from solid regulars to overachievers as they catch lightning in a bottle for a few months as part of a team's magical run. It's up to good GMs to recognize which players had a great few months and not pay them as such. These kind of deals kill GMs each season.

Edit: Catch lightning..not hit.

Edited by devilsrule33, 03 July 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[Devilsfan118]

Well, this pill will be easier to swallow if we find out that this deal pushed Zach to resign with the Devils (as it's pretty clear now that Salvador and Zach are pretty close)

[Zubie#8]

I thought Sal had a great regular season

[RedArmy8]

Salvador was a -1 at 5 on 5 with empty net situations removed. That's why +/- is a total joke.

Fenwick by player:

Zidlicky: 53.4%
Volchenkov: 52.1%
Fayne: 51.5%
Greene: 51.3%
Tallinder: 50.8%
Larsson: 49.6%

...and, of course

Salvador: 46.7%

This is why you can't ascribe silly stats to actually game time playing. Sal also played against other teams best forwards which is not reflected. There is a reason other teams made him higher offers, he is solid, dependable and physical without taking foolish penalties.

I thought Sal had a great regular season

He did. (Nice avatar!)

[NJDevs4978]

The contract we thought some idiot GM would dole out came from....Lou

Thing is I'd bet money multiple teams were offering Sal similar/better deals. Doesn't make this any less desperate though. In fact it's worse for us because we're further blocking our supposed glut of d-prospects. Unless some of those guys are going to start being traded off for forwards, but then you just set yourself up with a really old defense in a couple years.

[maxpower]

Salvador was a -1 at 5 on 5 with empty net situations removed. That's why +/- is a total joke.

Fenwick by player:

Zidlicky: 53.4%
Volchenkov: 52.1%
Fayne: 51.5%
Greene: 51.3%
Tallinder: 50.8%
Larsson: 49.6%

...and, of course

Salvador: 46.7%

It's only a total joke when it doesn't fit your argument.

What was Volch's +/- 5 on 5. His Fenwick is going to look good because he is a 3rd pairing defenseman while Sal was used as a stopper on a team that gets hemmed up easily. Yes, some of that is his fault. Zids is going to look great because he is offensive and can hold the line, but his defensive play is atrocious at times. And the less said about Larsson the better, especially early. A guy can hardaround
the puck, get it fed back to him, shoot on goal, rebound, save, position themselves godawfully on the counter off the saved rebound, give up a breakaway, and have a positive Fenwick for that sequence