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#121 Neb00rs

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:20 PM

I'm sorry, the South Mountain days were fun but imo so demeaning for a prestigious NHL team.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:26 PM

Okay, back to Semin. Anything.....?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

Okay, back to Semin. Anything.....?


Rumors about the Pens offering 2 years, 10 million. Other rumors of him signing tomorrow with Pittsburgh. Nothing completely believable, but seems to be a little smoke around this particular rumor.

His agent was asked about this rumor today and said "Im not commenting".
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

Rumors about the Pens offering 2 years, 10 million. Other rumors of him signing tomorrow with Pittsburgh. Nothing completely believable, but seems to be a little smoke around this particular rumor.

His agent was asked about this rumor today and said "Im not commenting".


That sucks if indeed that is the best offer out there. If Lou won't top that then he's going senile.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:38 PM

That sucks if indeed that is the best offer out there. If Lou won't top that then he's going senile.


Well then there was this:

"Semin told me today there is no timeline on his decision where he will sign; wouldn't confirm the clubs that made offers."

"As some asked re: the 3 year $30m reported offer to Semin from the KHL - false on both the term and the money."

Chesnokov also says that the reason for the hold up is that Semin wants a longer term deal than what he has been offered.

Thats from Chesnokov. No one's saying sh!t.

Edited by ghdi, 09 July 2012 - 04:40 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

3 years/17.5-18 would be the contract I would most favor for Semin.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:43 PM

Well if Semin wants a long term deal then the offers from the other clubs must have been real sh!tty. The only reason I can think that Semin would go for 2 years at 10 mil is because he really wants to play with Malkin and "Dead Wood" Crosby.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:43 PM

3 years/17.5-18 would be the contract I would most favor for Semin.


Id go up to 4 if we can do the deal without an NTC.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

3 years/17.5-18 would be the contract I would most favor for Semin.


I think that's what Lou will offer Sykora.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:47 PM

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:51 PM

Bottom line: I think Lou is going to do jack and sh!t. I remember that when Rafalski and Gomez split after 06-07 we replaced them with Zubrus who is good. However, we went out and got Arron Asham, Vishnevski and (no disrespect)Karel Rachunek.
Surprisingly that 07-08 squad was good, but is an example of Lou's tendency to replace big losses with small fixes.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:53 PM

Bottom line: I think Lou is going to do jack and sh!t. I remember that when Rafalski and Gomez split after 06-07 we replaced them with Zubrus who is good. However, we went out and got Arron Asham, Vishnevski and (no disrespect)Karel Rachunek.
Surprisingly that 07-08 squad was good, but is an example of Lou's tendency to replace big losses with small fixes.


Who should he have gotten in that year?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

Who should he have gotten in that year?


Let's see:

Scott Hannan
Radek Dvorak
cory Sarich
Michael Nylander
Roman Hamrlik
Todd bertuzzi
Michael Handzus
Ken Klee(always a plus)
Eric Belanger
Ruslan Fedotenko
Mike Comrie
Sheldon Souray
Andy Sutton
Brent Sopel
Adam Hall

Edited by CarpathianForest, 09 July 2012 - 05:03 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:05 PM

I can't access the 07-08 options from the memory drive in my brain, but I'm sure their were better ideas out there than Arron Asham and Vitaly Vishnevski.


What does one thing have to do with the other? Yeah, the Devils lost Gomez and Rafalski. But their depth players were fvcking terrible the previous two years. Asham was pretty bad for NJ, but he had been a decent depth player before that and has been a decent depth guy since - a 4th liner who can play occasionally on the 3rd line and will get 10 goals a year.

Vishnevski wasn't good, and that's a case of Lou valuing tools over performance, but he was sent packing after a year - wasn't a big deal.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:09 PM

What does one thing have to do with the other? Yeah, the Devils lost Gomez and Rafalski. But their depth players were fvcking terrible the previous two years. Asham was pretty bad for NJ, but he had been a decent depth player before that and has been a decent depth guy since - a 4th liner who can play occasionally on the 3rd line and will get 10 goals a year.

Vishnevski wasn't good, and that's a case of Lou valuing tools over performance, but he was sent packing after a year - wasn't a big deal.


So you're saying that Lou's plan to replace two big pieces on the roster with "depth" players was a reasonable move.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:09 PM

for all we know maybe Semin doesnt want to play here... so lets not get our hopes up... it's already a super sh!tty offseason, lets not make it worst

low expectations is key to happyness
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

for all we know maybe Semin doesnt want to play here... so lets not get our hopes up... it's already a super sh!tty offseason, lets not make it worst

low expectations is key to happyness


Well it is Lou's m.o. to replace big holes with small pieces. Maybe we can stick Patrick Rissmiller on our first line.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:19 PM

So you're saying that Lou's plan to replace two big pieces on the roster with "depth" players was a reasonable move.


I'm saying that you don't have any idea what you're talking about, and I think that you're probably intentionally trolling, and I don't have any idea why. But assuming this isn't one of the times you're being insincere just to do it:

No. Vishnevski played 3rd pair minutes. Rachunek, if anything, was an attempt at a low cost Rafalski replacement, but Rachunek played against weak competition - he did rather well doing so though, not sure why he fell out of favor. Then I remember the coach and the consonant that Rachunek's name ends with.

In general, replacing players with free agents is a terrible solution. Free agents are normally a bad buy, and they're especially a bad buy when you're off panicking because you lost a top player.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

So you're saying that Lou's plan to replace two big pieces on the roster with "depth" players was a reasonable move.


Why are you looking at every move as a "replacement" for those two? Asham was not brought in to replace Gomez. We had very little depth at the 3rd and 4th lines. We did lose Rafalski, and he brought in Vishnevski, Malmivaara, and Sheldon Brookbank, and later traded for Salvador at the break. He was basically trying to see if anything would stick and it didnt work out. There were other things that needed "replacing" too. Just as Barch isnt a replacement for Zach.

Look at our defense from 06-07
http://www.hockey-re...s/NJD/2007.html

Compare it to 07-08
http://www.hockey-re...s/NJD/2008.html

The changes you're pointing out as "replacements" were not replacements for the two we lost. They were moves to try and help our depth and get better as a whole unit.

People forget that players don't always want to come to New Jersey. Its not as simple as going to the market and "getting someone" like a shopping list. The player has to want to come here too. We didnt have that big of a drop off from 06-07 to 07-08. It was a difference of 8 points and our first year with Sutter.

The season is not over if we sign no one to "replace" Zach. We were a good team without him in the 2nd half of 10-11 and theres nothing to say we can't improve the team later on.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:24 PM

Well it is Lou's m.o. to replace big holes with small pieces. Maybe we can stick Patrick Rissmiller on our first line.


Or again, it might be that there aren't a whole lot of players out there at any given time to fill those "big holes", especially when you consider that, for the most part, you have to give up something to get those players. And there aren't a lot of Mike Milbury's out there to rob.

Believe it or not, there are 29 teams out there that are trying to upgrade their rosters, and most of the time they're willing to pay more in money, players or both to do that. In fact, that's the way it is for most teams.
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