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#1 NewarkDevil5

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:51 AM

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Now, Semin has this reputation of being an offensive player. He certainly can fly. Semin's shot is fantastic and he's got hands to match. He's not small either at 6'2" and 209 pounds. He may not use that size to bang, but I don't think you want him to do that anyway. In terms of tools, Semin has almost everything you would want in a scoring winger.

However, the production hasn't always followed with the skillset. The following numbers are from NHL.com:
Season GP G A Pts SOG S% PPG PPA PIM
2007-08 63 26 16 42 185 14.1 10 10 54
2008-09 62 34 45 79 223 15.2 8 22 77
2009-10 73 40 44 84 278 14.4 8 19 66
2010-11 65 28 26 54 196 14.3 6 12 71
2011-12 77 21 33 54 183 11.5 2 9 56

When people point to the fact that Semin can be as productive as Parise once was, they're likely recalling 2008-09 and 2009-10. Semin was racking up the points, he made things happen on what was an excellent power play, and he was just bombing shots on net. So he missed quite a few games, he still justified his position. However, the last two seasons tell a more cautionary tale. His point production dropped, both overall and on the power play. The power play numbers falling in 2010-11 may be a result of the Washington power play not always killing it; but an overall drop of 30 points raises an eyebrow. He played more games last season and still managed at the same total. As a partial quick defense, his total of 54 points was the second most on the team in 2011-12.


Obviously the whole article is much longer and more detailed, but I'm curious what people on this board think of Semin and if we want him here? Would his play style fit with DeBoer's system? With the longterm, ridiculous contracts being thrown out recently is there any scenario that wouldn't wind up with us having an albatross of a contract with him later on?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

I personally think it's not a bad idea. I guess he's known to be a hot head but maybe Kovy can court him
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

He definitely feels like more of a risk than Parise, but should come a lot cheaper. 5 or 6 years and $30-36 million seems fair, though a guy like him might be better off signing a two-year deal (or even a one-year) in the hopes of returning to his previous form...if he did that AND had a couple of solid playoffs, he'd be looking at something closer to Parise-money after his two-year deal ended...probably not quite as much as Zach, but he could undo a lot of what's been said about him (fair and unfair) with two great seasons.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:03 PM

i would go as high as 5/32 for him and be quite happy. this is a good player. if his name was joey canadachuk from moose jaw, he'd be looking at offers of 8/50.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

There's a part of me that really thinks that NJ's uptempo attack system would really help his game and that he'd find himself returning to form rather quickly with some help from our veterans. I could see it now: The Patrik Elias Hockey School for Enigmatic Russians.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:16 PM

i would go as high as 5/32 for him and be quite happy. this is a good player. if his name was joey canadachuk from moose jaw, he'd be looking at offers of 8/50.


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:27 PM

Alex Semin speculation thread number 6? :koolaid:

i would go as high as 5/32 for him and be quite happy. this is a good player. if his name was joey canadachuk from moose jaw, he'd be looking at offers of 8/50.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:29 PM

He is the type of player to invest in. Semin is a pure talent that see's the ice well and can beat a goalie from anywhere.

Kovalchuk and company will have him checking his ego at the door. Parise leaving could be a blessing in disguise.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Semin gets a lot more flak than he deserves. He's an elite winger and in the right environment he can be better than Parise. Are we the right environment? No way to know until we try it, but I would definitely not balk at getting him to try it out. If we can make Kovalchuk into a player's player, then we should be able to get something nice out of Semin, especially with a fellow Russian superstar on the team already. I agree with CR1976 that we should aim for a 2 year deal.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:34 PM

For a 50-55 point a year player: $3.5 million a year for 2 years.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:36 PM

Semin gets a lot more flak than he deserves. He's an elite winger and in the right environment he can be better than Parise. Are we the right environment? No way to know until we try it, but I would definitely not balk at getting him to try it out. If we can make Kovalchuk into a player's player, then we should be able to get something nice out of Semin, especially with a fellow Russian superstar on the team already. I agree with CR1976 that we should aim for a 2 year deal.

He can also be talked to by Zubrus and Volchenkov. We have a friendly Russian environment here.

Edit: He actually played with Zubrus in 2003-2004

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:38 PM

For a 50-55 point a year player: $3.5 million a year for 2 years.


In 1998, maybe...
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:40 PM

For a 50-55 point a year player: $3.5 million a year for 2 years.


Pipe dream, especially considering he had two 80+ point seasons not too long ago. The minimum we sign him for is $6M, and that's if he's being generous.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

He can also be talked to by Zubrus and Volchenkov. We have a friendly Russian enviroment here.

Edit: He actually played with Zubrus in 2003-2004


Maybe we have Dainius give him a call like the Pens had Crosby try doing for Zach. Meh, probably not...
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:45 PM

For a 50-55 point a year player: $3.5 million a year for 2 years.


You don't understand how this works do you?

oh and we should absolutely get this guy. 5/30.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:46 PM

He is the type of player to invest in. Semin is a pure talent that see's the ice well and can beat a goalie from anywhere.


He can also take an offensive zone hooking penalties. A lot. But yeah, I'd sign him in a heartbeat.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

i'm all for getting semin, he's a goal scorer, and will fit in well with our system. we have plenty of leaders and russians to keep him in check and responsible.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

For a 50-55 point a year player: $3.5 million a year for 2 years.


C'mon dude...for one, he's had much more productive seasons than that, and they weren't very long ago, and he still has talent. He's getting at least $6 million or so per year from someone. Brandon friggin' Dubinsky's making $4 million a year for the next three seasons.

Like I said, he's an interesting case, in that he could decide the long-term offers he gets might not be that great, so he maybe he rolls the dice, and instead of taking guaranteed money for 5-6 years, he signs something like a 2-year, $13 million deal, plays above the value of that deal, then gets a bigger long-term contract than he would right now.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

Sign Semin
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Sign Malkin in 2015
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:58 PM

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I see what you did there.

P.S. Semin is the kind of guy who is perfect for the Devils. No important off-ice issues, just effort issues apparently and not everyone agrees. NJ is the kind of place to turn that around. Kovy had a very similar meaningless negative perception about him when he came here and could be a great partner for Semin.

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