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[aylbert]

Amazingly deep draft : http://www.hockeydb....t/nhl2003e.html

Compare to 2002 for example: http://www.hockeydb....t/nhl2002e.html

The '03 second round had a lot of good hits as well (Weber, Carle, Bergeron, Backes, Errikson, Backes, Jimmy Howard...)

[Colin226]

This really just makes me nervous about when Lou retires.. 3 years with a bad GM could kill us and we need to be good to do well at the gate

[capo]

Zach was a great pick but... In hindsight, Getzlaf and Perry are both better players, were drafted after him, and by the same team. Anaheim killed that draft and eventually won a cup in large because of it. Sure, a certain #27 had something to do with that too.

[devilsrule33]

Zach was a great pick but... In hindsight, Getzlaf and Perry are both better players, were drafted after him, and by the same team. Anaheim killed that draft and eventually won a cup in large because of it. Sure, a certain #27 had something to do with that too.

The Ducks hit that draft out of the park. The Ducks coming off their Stanley Cup appearance had two picks at 19 and 29 and nailed both of them. I still don't think either are better than Zach Parise at all. You can make a case for it, with Perry having that ridiculous season last year, somehow winning the MVP, but he followed it up with a pretty disappointing one this year. Getzlaf has been in a funk for a few years now.

The Perry pick was a gem though. I don't think many people had him going in the first round at all. It would have been one of the most insane reaches that turned out right in the NHL. He was ranked 35th among NA skaters.

...And Pronger probably had a bigger role in that win than Niedermayer.

Edited by devilsrule33, 17 July 2012 - 07:23 PM.

[Triumph]

Zach was a great pick but... In hindsight, Getzlaf and Perry are both better players, were drafted after him, and by the same team. Anaheim killed that draft and eventually won a cup in large because of it. Sure, a certain #27 had something to do with that too.

Perry is not better than Parise. Getzlaf it's debatable.

[capo]

Perry is not better than Parise. Getzlaf it's debatable.

Perry will eat Parise's lunch.

[Triumph]

Perry will eat Parise's lunch.

It's nice to play with Getzlaf, who is better than any forward Parise ever got to play with in New Jersey besides Elias in 2007-08.

[capo]

Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things.

[devilsrule33]

Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things.

Parise: 502 games 194-216-410 0.82 PPG

Perry: 530 games 205-224-429 0.81 PPG

And that's with the added benefit of playing with a guy who you think is better than Parise, so that must mean 2x better than Zajac. And that's also with the added benefit of playing with great PP players like Pronger, Niedermayer, Selanne etc.

[capo]

Parise: 502 games 194-216-410 0.82 PPG

Perry: 530 games 205-224-429 0.81 PPG

And that's with the added benefit of playing with a guy who you think is better than Parise, so that must mean 2x better than Zajac. And that's also with the added benefit of playing with great PP players like Pronger, Niedermayer, Selanne etc.

I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players.

[devilsrule33]

I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players.

Come on...everyone would be better if they were stronger. Zach Parise has far outperformed any concern or knock about him pre-draft. The knock was thinking he'd look like Tedenby out there or something.

Edited by devilsrule33, 17 July 2012 - 07:56 PM.

[ZeroGravityFat]

I never considered ducks' picks but between the two scf teams the rest of the league should be ashamed we stole so much.

[SterioDesign]

i wont be reading this thread... to me its like looking at picture from you and your ex girlfriends or talk about how you met or listen to the songs you liked....

too soon too soon

[Triumph]

I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players.

Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry.

[capo]

Come on...everyone would be better if they were stronger. Zach Parise has far outperformed any concern or knock about him pre-draft. The knock was thinking he'd look like Tedenby out there or something.

I never thought of it like a Tedenby like comparison myself. But, I can see that. Zach has defied that. Perry on the other hand is able to muscle his way to the net in cases where Zach cannot.

Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry.

Corey Perry can do this as well. He can also bulldoze his way to the net to score. He can also score from anywhere on the ice. He also can stick up for his teammates by punching someone in the face. Perry is the better player.

[SMantzas]

Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry.

???

[mackchi]

Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry.

He's dead to me.

Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things.

He's dead to me I tell you...

[Triumph]

Corey Perry can do this as well. He can also bulldoze his way to the net to score. He can also score from anywhere on the ice. He also can stick up for his teammates by punching someone in the face. Perry is the better player.

If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice.

[Zubie#8]

If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice.

I agree on Perry who is one of the streakiest players in the last few years. I think Kovalchuk is definitely a top ten forward in this league due to his play making abilities. He is not just a big shot and his improved defense and leadership he showed this past season makes him very valuable. When you have guys like Brodeur and Clarkson saying he is one of the best teammates they ever had really says something.

Edited by Zubie#8, 17 July 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[capo]

If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice.

This is coming from the statman himself... touche, but I don't agree. I like Perry's intangibles better. Perry will grab the bull by the balls and win it for you... Zach is limited offensively and thus he can not grab those proverbial balls.