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#221 CarpathianForest

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:20 PM

Poile is a very good gm. If any other team in the league is similar to New Jersey, it's Nashville. Have faith in both of these teams!
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

I wonder if Philly knows Shea Weber doesn't play goalie.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:53 PM

If I'm Nashville and I don't match, I'm basically deciding to bottom out for the next 4 years to get elite talent. No use hanging on and panic trading those picks for players, it's over.


Someone said it earlier....many people have said the Devils are fine without Parise, but the Predators are done without Suter. Too funny. :doh1: Parise has a much bigger effect on a team than Suter.

Since the lockout, the Devils have put up 101, 107, 99, 106, 103, 81 and 102 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.
Since the lockout, the Preds have put up 106, 110, 91, 88, 100, 99 and 104 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.

If they match Weber's contract, I'll take any bets that Nashville will have more points than NJ next year.
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#224 NJDevs4978

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

Someone said it earlier....many people have said the Devils are fine without Parise, but the Predators are done without Suter. Too funny. :doh1: Parise has a much bigger effect on a team than Suter.

Since the lockout, the Devils have put up 101, 107, 99, 106, 103, 81 and 102 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.
Since the lockout, the Preds have put up 106, 110, 91, 88, 100, 99 and 104 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.

If they match Weber's contract, I'll take any bets that Nashville will have more points than NJ next year.


A) I seriously doubt the Devils go into next season doing 'nothing' about the two gaping holes in their top nine besides giving Tedenby another shot and re-signing Sykora.
B) Without Suter I think the Preds can survive. Without BOTH Weber and Suter though, in that division? Good luck. As much as losing Zach hurts us, at least the Devils still have a solid defense, capable goalies and some offensive playmakers. Who's Nashville's best player left besides Rinne, Mike Fisher? Martin Erat?

Edited by NJDevs4978, 19 July 2012 - 07:59 PM.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:02 PM

The Devils had also earlier fallen into another superstar winger and tied him up for a billion years. Where is the replacement star defenseman that the Preds already have to cushion the blow? And if they do get one by trade, what is the likelyhood a situation materializes that involves him staying?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:33 PM

A) I seriously doubt the Devils go into next season doing 'nothing' about the two gaping holes in their top nine besides giving Tedenby another shot and re-signing Sykora.
B) Without Suter I think the Preds can survive. Without BOTH Weber and Suter though, in that division? Good luck. As much as losing Zach hurts us, at least the Devils still have a solid defense, capable goalies and some offensive playmakers. Who's Nashville's best player left besides Rinne, Mike Fisher? Martin Erat?


Agreed. Losing weber will really hurt Nashville. Another blow to them would be in the fanbase, which was growing at a tremendous rate and had solid momentum.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:04 PM

If they match Weber's contract, I'll take any bets that Nashville will have more points than NJ next year.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:14 PM

Someone said it earlier....many people have said the Devils are fine without Parise, but the Predators are done without Suter. Too funny. :doh1: Parise has a much bigger effect on a team than Suter.

Since the lockout, the Devils have put up 101, 107, 99, 106, 103, 81 and 102 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.
Since the lockout, the Preds have put up 106, 110, 91, 88, 100, 99 and 104 points. They made the playoffs 6 of those 7 seasons.

If they match Weber's contract, I'll take any bets that Nashville will have more points than NJ next year.


In. Nashville was already horrible territorially last year. They were bailed out by their power play, luck, and Rinne. I wouldn't count on it continuing.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:12 AM

wow... In the first 4 seasons, 13 million of the 14 million per season comes from signing bonuses
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:34 AM

IMO its more valuable to lock up a strong d-man than a strong goalie...
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:22 AM

IMO its more valuable to lock up a strong d-man than a strong goalie...

From what it sounds like, they tried to re-sign Suter throughout the season but he made it clear he was testing the market. I think Poile made a huge mistake last year with Weber by lowballing the **** out of him during arbitration. I know you're trying to get the best outcome, but 4 mill for Shea is just insulting. Probably left a bad taste in his mouth. I guess not bad enough if he signed an offer sheet that could potentially have him play the rest of his career in Nashville....
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

I guess not bad enough if he signed an offer sheet that could potentially have him play the rest of his career in Nashville....

I WANT this to happen, I would laugh at all parties involved. :boogie:
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:27 AM

wow... In the first 4 seasons, 13 million of the 14 million per season comes from signing bonuses


I read in an article that, if player salaries are rolled back again like they were coming out of the last lockout, bonus money is not subject to the roll-back and, therefore, this money is essentially "guaranteed" no matter what happens with the new CBA.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:52 AM

I wonder how this will affect Holmgrens reputation with the unwritten rule of offer sheeting players.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:56 AM

I wonder if Philly knows Shea Weber doesn't play goalie.


Bryz isn't as good as his contract, but he's an above average goalie and he plays better when he's got some confidence in his defense.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:25 PM

With thoughts like that, I can see why you jumped ship this off-season to the Sharks (just joking). I guess the Devils are rebuilding too with Parise gone? If the Preds match, how can you call losing Suter rebuilding? When did the Predators ever rebuild the first time, anyway?


Ouch I guess I asked for that.

I think Weber is worth more to the Predators than Parise to the Devils. That entire team is built around Weber, Suter and Rinne. If Rinne is truly an exceptional goaltender than they may be able to turn the ship around quickly, but look at their roster. Their best Dman right now is Hal Gill. Their forwards are OK to meh, and they are losing a lot of scoring talent in Kostitsyn and Radulov. Devils still have Kovy, Elias, Zajac and an exceptional Defense. Obviously neither roster is done, but if the Predators lose Weber, Suter, and Radulov I don't see how they can recover and make the playoffs next season based on what's available to them as FA, and their frugal ways.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:29 PM

Ouch I guess I asked for that.

I think Weber is worth more to the Predators than Parise to the Devils. That entire team is built around Weber, Suter and Rinne. If Rinne is truly an exceptional goaltender than they may be able to turn the ship around quickly, but look at their roster. Their best Dman right now is Hal Gill. Their forwards are OK to meh, and they are losing a lot of scoring talent in Kostitsyn and Radulov. Devils still have Kovy, Elias, Zajac and an exceptional Defense. Obviously neither roster is done, but if the Predators lose Weber, Suter, and Radulov I don't see how they can recover and make the playoffs next season based on what's available to them as FA, and their frugal ways.


I am talking about Suter leaving, not Weber too. My issue was the comments about Weber not wanting to be part of a rebuild so he went to the Flyers. If he stays with the Preds, it isn't a rebuild. So, I think his agent is really insulting the entire organization.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

I am talking about Suter leaving, not Weber too. My issue was the comments about Weber not wanting to be part of a rebuild so he went to the Flyers. If he stays with the Preds, it isn't a rebuild. So, I think his agent is really insulting the entire organization.


And that's his goal, because it's clear Weber would prefer not to play there, and it's the agent's job to make that as obvious as possible.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:57 PM

And that's his goal, because it's clear Weber would prefer not to play there, and it's the agent's job to make that as obvious as possible.

How can you say that when he just set himself up to be a Pred for the rest of his career? I don't think he has much of a preference, the guy just wants to get paid before the new CBA
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:20 PM

How can you say that when he just set himself up to be a Pred for the rest of his career? I don't think he has much of a preference, the guy just wants to get paid before the new CBA


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