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[Microwavepizza]

@RealKyper, Weber's deal is $110M over 14 years, including $68M in signing bonuses over first six years.


holy crap

[SS-SS]

With Pronger and Weber at the Flyers blue line the division got tougher. We are weakened by Parise's departure and the Flyers just got better.

I think we will need to improve one way or another going into this season. Top 6 forward (RW) is a must IMO.

[Daniel]

The Flyers would forfeit their next 4 1st round picks in this deal. I bet Holmgren doesn't even realize that, though.

I think the Flyers got under the 4 1st round treshhold, unless the CBA amendment has addressed front-loading. Per my link, $8.4 million.

EDIT: Looks like Tri's right:

Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull

For compensation, they divide 5 years (not 14) into total value (about $100M), which is why #Flyers wld have to give 4 first-rounders.
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Edited by Daniel, 19 July 2012 - 09:04 AM.

[squishyx]

DF118 posted this earlier addressing the rules for compensation, don't know if his source is legit or not but...

Here's the full rule:

The number and quality of draft choices due to the Prior Club shall be based
on the average annual value of the compensation contained in the Principal Terms (as
defined in Section 10.3(e) hereof) of the New Club's Offer Sheet (determined by dividing
such compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five), based
on the following scale:

I guess that's a way to interpret the rule, but if that is true whats to stop a team from signing a player to a back-loaded RFA deal with little to no compensation?

[lucifer91]

@RealKyper, Weber's deal is $110M over 14 years, including $68M in signing bonuses over first six years.


holy crap

Sorry, this sh!t pisses me off. I know its "within the guidelines" but the Kovy Contract punishment looks absolutely stupid now. 11.3/yr for first 6 years in signing bonuses alone, with a cap hit of 7.85 is in the spirit of the CBA? Bullsh!t.

[NJDevs4978]

This is a good contract for Nashville to match, it locks up their captain forever at a reasonable cap hit. Even with all the supposed money upfront, I'm sure the team could just borrow for a season or two to make payroll. It might sting for the next couple years but eventually they will be paying very little for his services to balance it out.

Good contract? They have to give Weber $41 million over two calendar years.

Each insane contract like this only makes me more determined to make this joke of a league pry the first rounder out of Lou's cold, dead hands.

[Eztarget]

The Flyers would forfeit their next 4 1st round picks in this deal. I bet Holmgren doesn't even realize that, though.

Who cares. With their young core in 4 years they'd have guys just hitting 30.

[RedArmy8]

This must mean Pronger is done.

[Microwavepizza]

Sorry, this sh!t pisses me off. I know its "within the guidelines" but the Kovy Contract punishment looks absolutely stupid now. 11.3/yr for first 6 years in signing bonuses alone, with a cap hit of 7.85 is in the spirit of the CBA? Bullsh!t.

it really is a SERIOUS violation of the "spirit of the CBA"

the Kovy deal seems normal and ok by this contract...

the flyers really should be penalized for this insane contract that really could screw over a small market team... its basically FORCING Nashville to not match

[Triumph]

I guess that's a way to interpret the rule, but if that is true whats to stop a team from signing a player to a back-loaded RFA deal with little to no compensation?

The fact that no player would ever sign such a deal?

[RSC]

Here's the full rule:



I guess that's a way to interpret the rule, but if that is true whats to stop a team from signing a player to a back-loaded RFA deal with little to no compensation?

Probably the fact that few, if any, players would sign a back-loaded offer sheet.

[Daniel]

Good contract? They have to give Weber $41 million over two calendar years.

Each insane contract like this only makes me more determined to make this joke of a league pry the first rounder out of Lou's cold, dead hands.

Again, the amendment to the CBA specifically addresses these types of contracts, so you can't compare this with Kovy's deal. Also, the Flyers certainly aren't coming out of this unscathed. Don't care how good you think you're going to be for the next four years, four firsts is a lot to give up for anything.

You're right though that the penalty was a joke. The intent of the cap-circumvention penalty was to address under the table type arrangements. Everything with Kovy was out in the open.

[Triumph]

Who cares. With their young core in 4 years they'd have guys just hitting 30.

Who cares? It's really hard to put together a great team without guys on entry level contracts. They're a young team but their young players are going to get paid a lot. It's not a huge deal - 1st round picks miss a lot where the Flyers would be drafting from - but it would hamper the team down the road.

[squishyx]

Good contract? They have to give Weber $41 million over two calendar years.

Each insane contract like this only makes me more determined to make this joke of a league pry the first rounder out of Lou's cold, dead hands.

That's a shortsighted outlook, it's all about the average rate over the long haul. If you assume 41m in 2 years over the (now 110m contract) then the Preds are paying an aav 5.75m for 12 years for Weber from years 3 through 14.

It does rub me the wrong way to see the recent 13+ year contracts handed out at roughly the same total amount as Kovy, but we don't know the structure of the contracts which is what the league had a problem with. Also none of those contracts take the players past 41 while our's still takes Kovy till he is 42. It's a fine line that I guess other GM's have learned not to cross.

[RSC]

That's a shortsighted outlook, it's all about the average rate over the long haul. If you assume 41m in 2 years over the (now 110m contract) then the Preds are paying an aav 5.75m for 12 years for Weber from years 3 through 14.

It does rub me the wrong way to see the recent 13+ year contracts handed out at roughly the same total amount as Kovy, but we don't know the structure of the contracts which is what the league had a problem with. Also none of those contracts take the players past 41 while our's still takes Kovy till he is 42. It's a fine line that I guess other GM's have learned not to cross.

Except Nashville has a strict internal cap, so Philly gave him $41 million over two years in the hope that Nashville will remain adherent to it.

[Triumph]

Lou and Vanderbeek were stupid with the first contract they gave Kovalchuk, they got burnt, end of story. League was waiting for someone to drop in an absurd contract.

[Eztarget]

This must mean Pronger is done.

He's definitely done. He's in his late 30's and couldn't even tie his shoes last season (according to his wife) without getting dizzy.

[Eztarget]

Who cares? It's really hard to put together a great team without guys on entry level contracts. They're a young team but their young players are going to get paid a lot. It's not a huge deal - 1st round picks miss a lot where the Flyers would be drafting from - but it would hamper the team down the road.

Which is why they will most likely work out a trade this week. The Flyers have WAY too many defensemen under contract right now. They will work out a trade to save face on both sides.

From what I read the Preds will not match and then trade some of the picks back to the Flyers for current roster players.

If they don't match and don't work out a trade the Flyers will then probably move a defensemen somewhere to a team for some high picks.

Guys like Weber come along once every so many years so I can't blame Holmgren for going after him especially after watching the Suter/Parise sweepstakes that happened this summer. This way they get Weber long before an open market bidding war starts.

Edited by Eztarget, 19 July 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[Chuck the Duck]

This has been a tough offseason for us. Add onto it the fact that one of our chief rivals is gettng immeasurably better from last season, and it just keeps getting worse.

Although, on the bright side, at least we aren't fans of the Preds.

Edited by Chuck the Duck, 19 July 2012 - 09:33 AM.

[squishyx]

Which is why they will most likely work out a trade this week. The Flyers have WAY too many defensemen under contract right now. They will work out a trade to save face on both sides.

From what I read the Preds will not match and then trade some of the picks back to the Flyers for current roster players.

If they don't match and don't work out a trade the Flyers will then probably move a defensemen somewhere to a team for some high picks.

Guys like Weber come along once every so many years so I can't blame Holmgren for going after him especially after watching the Suter/Parise sweepstakes that happened this summer. This way they get Weber long before an open market bidding war starts.

Why would Nashville want to help the Flyers out after this? I'd let the Flyers rot and use their picks elsewhere.