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#1 Triumph

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:23 PM

It's a long summer - exceptionally long this year with the lockout impending - and I was going to post this in two parts, but I figured if I did, people would quickly find the other teams I was talking about.

Okay, so we can all see that the Devils have 8 defensemen signed, almost all of which deserve to play regularly in the NHL. Beyond that, they have prospects like Alex Urbom and Eric Gelinas who, while they may not be NHL-ready, they can probably fill in capably for some games. In addition, the forward lines right now look like this:

?-Zajac-Kovalchuk
Henrique-Elias-Zubrus
?-Josefson-Clarkson
Carter-Gionta-Bernier

Figure Tedenby will get his shot to go back on the 3rd line and that the Devils may be entertaining delusions of using Barch or Janssen on the 4th line and moving someone else up higher. Whatever the case, it still looks like this team could use a forward. So who out there needs a defenseman and has a possible trade available?

1. Edmonton

Edmonton may be dumb enough to think they’ve got enough defensemen, but they clearly do not. Furthermore, they’ve got a ton of forwards. Their defense is currently something like this:

N. Schultz-Petry
Smid-J. Schultz
Whitney-Potter
Peckham-Sutton

There’s not a top pairing guy in the mix or even anything resembling it, and the forwards won’t be able to cover that up all year. Trouble is, they’ve got too many defensemen signed as it stands.

Forwards:

Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Nugent-Hopkins-Eberle
Yakupov-Belanger-Gagner
Jones-Lander-Petrell

Possible Targets: A. Hemsky, M. Paajarvi

I think Greene and a low-ish prospect could fetch Hemsky, if the Oilers were so inclined to deal him. Still, Magnus Paajarvi doesn't even have a spot on the team even if someone above him were dealt - I'd deal Greene and Urbom for him and feel pretty happy about it. His skills might never translate to the NHL, but he's not getting a good chance in that system as it stands now, and he'd immediately become one of the Devils' best young players.

2. Calgary

Calgary currently has a weirdly assembled roster with Tanguay, Hudler, Cammalleri and Glencross at LW, with Cervenka, Stajan, Backlund, and Horak as possible centers. Even if they move one of their LW over to center, it still feels like they’ve got too many LWs - RWs are Iginla, Stempniak, Comeau, and Jones. And I haven't even mentioned Sven Baertschi, who tore up the WHL to the tune of 2 points a game - the Flames surely have to consider a place in the NHL for him.

Trouble is, Calgary’s defense looks like this:

Bouwmeester-Wideman
Giordano-Butler
Brodie-Sarich
Babchuk-Smith

If they deal Bouwmeester for a center, things open up, but while Butler was bad this year, I don’t see them improving on that necessarily. Still, they are void of defensive prospects, and maybe they would consider Greene and Urbom for Cammalleri and Babchuk, where NJ would buy out Babchuk. Still, that would need to happen awfully soon, and it’s hard to imagine Babchuk waiving his NTC to be bought out.

3. St. Louis

St. Louis is crazy deep at forward right now. Here’s their forward lineup:

Perron-McDonald-Oshie
Steen-Backes-Stewart
Berglund-Sobotka-Langenbrunner
Reaves-Nichol-D’Agostini

And I haven’t mentioned top prospects Jaden Schwartz and Vladimir Tarasenko - players who might need places in the NHL. I therefore think that people like Patrik Berglund and Chris Stewart could be on the block - both guys are only signed for one more year.

Their defense, not so deep:

Jackman-Polak
?-Pietrangelo
Russell-Shattenkirk

Either Greene or Tallinder would make a perfect pair for Pietrangelo. I doubt they could pry Chris Stewart, but maybe Patrik Berglund? Berglund turned 24 and has not taken that extra step yet - I think Greene for Berglund+3rd would be a fair deal.

4. Toronto

Toronto has too many forwards right now, here’s their forward list:

Van Riemsdyk-Grabovski-Kulemin
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
MacArthur-Connolly-Lombardi
McClement-Steckel-Frattin

Toronto has at least one too many forwards, possibly two too many, as Nazem Kadri is still being left off this list. Their defense:

Gunnarsson-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Komisarek

Yuck. Komisarek probably gets amnestied. It's ugly - Franson is a soft-minutes player. Me, I'd want Nikolai Kulemin or maybe Clarke MacArthur, and I think Tallinder would be enough to get MacArthur, Greene for Kulemin would also be a fair-ish deal.

5. Detroit (!)

Astoundingly Detroit is on this list. Defense now:

Kronwall-White
Quincey-Ericsson
Kindl-Smith

Eep. They think much higher of Jonathan Ericsson than I do, but I think he's not very good. Trouble is, they can't really spare any forwards of note either - their forward lineup:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Samuelsson
Filppula-Zetterberg-Cleary
Abdelkader-Helm-Tootoo
Miller-Nyquist-Eaves

Rumor is that Todd Bertuzzi may retire, so I won't include him on this list. New Jersey would have to deal for some prospects instead of NHL players - not sure they'd be willing to do that.

6. New York Islanders

The Islanders managed a trade for a defenseman, so they may no longer need one. Except for the fact that he might not want to play on Long Island anymore - if he manages to get himself traded back to Anaheim, it will be interesting to see what the Islanders do. They’ll be desperate for defensive help.

Streit-Hamonic
Visnovsky-McDonald
Carkner-?

Okay, so they still need a defenseman even if Visnovsky stays. Still, not sure if Greene or Tallinder is interesting to them. Their forward situation looks like this:

Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Grabner-Nielsen-Boyes
Martin-Reasoner-Bailey
Niederreiter-Cizikas-?

So a lot depends on whether they think Ryan Strome is NHL ready. Or whether they don't care if he’s NHL ready and jam him into the NHL anyway like with Nino Niederreiter and a lesser extent Josh Bailey. Brock Nelson may also get a shot at the NHL.

7. Nashville

If Weber leaves, we have to imagine they use some of the picks to take on a defenseman from Philadelphia, who is in a similar-ish predicament to us. Still, they’re in quite a fix without both guys:

?-?
Josi-Klein
Gill-Ellis

Klein and Josi were horrible last year - Nashville would probably sign a guy like Rozsival, and trade for multiple people. The problem is, they don’t quite have the forward depth to make this happen:

Erat-Legwand-Hornqvist
S. Kostitsyn-Fisher-Smith
Bourque-Gaustad-Halischuk
McGrattan-Spaling-Yip

I didn’t put Colin Wilson here - he’s an intriguing possibility. Regardless, I think Nashville will use its defensive prospects to get a better defense - I don’t think the Devils and Nashville are a fit, as Nashville also is weak at forward and is unlikely to move a forward to get a defenseman.

Edited by Triumph, 23 July 2012 - 12:29 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

What about Linus Omark from Edm
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

There's also the possibility that Lou won't make a move at all, which would be disappointing but not unexpected.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

St. Louis looks like the only viable team with both the Forward Depth and Defensive need to make a deal.

Would they drop Berglund?
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:33 PM

D'Agostini wouldnt be too bad from the blues, prob cheaper too. I really like berglund as well.

Paajaarvi from edm.

Doesn't cammaleri come with the "not a team guy" m.o.?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:34 PM

What about Linus Omark from Edm


He's really no different from Tedenby except he's older and better - I can't see it. Someone will take him but not NJ.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

Hmmm. I like St. Louis and Edmonton a lot as partners. The tricky thing, of course, is gauging value. I think Stewarts's and MPS's value will be higher than you think, even though they didn't meet expectations. However, I still think Stewart can rebound to 25-30 goal form. MPS, I'm not as confident about but he certainly has the potential. If we could package Greene/Tallinder for Stewart/Pajaarvi and a second, I do it
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

I really like St. Louis as a trade partner. They have a system similar to ours and their players would similarly thrive here. I really liked what I saw from them last year and I think they have what we'd want, and vice versa..
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:54 PM

He's really no different from Tedenby except he's older and better - I can't see it. Someone will take him but not NJ.


agreed but Tedenby is a fail and theirs always some overlap within an org.

Omark will come cheap anyway and he'll get his chance in nj

Urbom for Omark strait up...let Tedenby go back to Sweden

obviously its most likely not going to happen

Edited by justdo3043, 23 July 2012 - 12:55 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

Nice post Tri. St. Louis was in the running for Matt Carle, but wouldn't go 6 yrs. TB did do it. They are in dire need of a LH d-man. Edmonton can always use a veteran D-man. I'd love for us to get a forward that could play in top nine fw's. Stewart only signed for 1 year. He's working with 4 "specialists" to get him back to snuff.(they were dicussing this on XM this morning. They want a premier D-man to compliment Pieterangelo, so they would be the new Suter/Weber tandem in thr nhl.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:59 PM

I wouldn't mind the Tallinder for Clarke MacArthur deal you floated. He's not replacing Parise's goal totals (but what one player really would), but he seems like he'd fit in nicely on this team.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:01 PM

Considering St Louis is one of the best teams and deepest right now we could deal with them? Berglund was "Our" Player before, he's young and would bring good depth like Sykora. If we re-signed Sykora and got Berglund I think we would be fine. But I can only wish. Don't forget the whole"Ryan because he's a Jersey boy possibility" He can put up the same point wise as Zach but I doubt Lou would go for him since he is on alot of teams radar

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

I would go for Paajarvi, he is young and the kid can absolutely fly.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:12 PM

I remember Brian Gionta's name coming up in a previous thread. Is he still Montreal's captain?
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

agreed but Tedenby is a fail and theirs always some overlap within an org.

Omark will come cheap anyway and he'll get his chance in nj

Urbom for Omark strait up...let Tedenby go back to Sweden

obviously its most likely not going to happen



Yikes, the kid's only 22, give him a break.. You'd make a terrible scout and development coach, no offense haha.. There's really no reason Tedenby can't come back a better more equipped and bulky player in October. Crazier things have happened, LIKE CLARKSON'S 30-GOAL SEASON THIS YEAR, after a 2011-2012 season in which many thought he was no-talent dead-weight.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

Yikes, the kid's only 22, give him a break.. You'd make a terrible scout and development coach, no offense haha.. There's really no reason Tedenby can't come back a better more equipped and bulky player in October. Crazier things have happened, LIKE CLARKSON'S 30-GOAL SEASON THIS YEAR, after a 2011-2012 season in which many thought he was no-talent dead-weight.


yeah im always wrong
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:22 PM

yeah im always wrong



haha I hope you're wrong. I'm a huge Tedenby fanboy. Just hope he sees the back of the net next year or you may be right about him going back to Sweden..
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:32 PM

I remember Brian Gionta's name coming up in a previous thread. Is he still Montreal's captain?


He is, and I looked at Montreal and couldn't see the trade there. They just don't have enough forwards to cover for Gionta's loss IMO. Could easily be wrong, but right now that's how it looks to me.

Yikes, the kid's only 22, give him a break.. You'd make a terrible scout and development coach, no offense haha.. There's really no reason Tedenby can't come back a better more equipped and bulky player in October. Crazier things have happened, LIKE CLARKSON'S 30-GOAL SEASON THIS YEAR, after a 2011-2012 season in which many thought he was no-talent dead-weight.


Clarkson's shot rate was always high - his goal rate wasn't. Tedenby's problem is that he's not getting enough shots on goal, even at the AHL level. I'm not counting him out at all - he does have skills that other players simply don't and never will have - but he's got to improve by a lot.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

paajarvi is the guy i want but i agree that backlund or stewart would be solid choices from st. louis.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Lou will try and acquire a 1st round pick with one of our disposable d-men.

A late first, mind you. Or early second perhaps
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