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#61 Chuck the Duck

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

It doesn't seem like any team was willing to offer Semin a multi-year deal for what he believes is fair market value. His agent sought assurances that Semin will be given an opportunity to play in all situations (including the PK), which Carolina apparently conceded. He is making it sound like that is the biggest factor in his decision making process as he knows this season will be used to set up Semin's big payday (which they believe he deserves and is capable of getting) come next off-season.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:47 AM

I'm pissed. I know, I know: there is no info on what Lou offered (if he made an offer at all), maybe it's just that Semin didn't want to play for us etc., etc. But you judge your GM based on his results. He built a good team for last year, we all enjoyed a great season, but this summer has been absolutely awful.



I agree with most of your sentiment, but to be fair, on paper we didn't really have an awesome team to start last season. The Ponikarovsky and Zidlicky trades that proved so vital to our success in the last few months were made later in the season.

Really hope he can figure something out though, and soon..
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:05 AM

Not every player has the makings to be a Devil. For all we know, Lou's hands are tied. Have to keep in mind this is the first year of Kovy making $11M. Also, for all the talk of Parise, he scored just 31 goals last year and has been on a steady decline.

The TEAM that will be starting opening night this season will be much stronger than the TEAM that started opening night last season.

Henrique scored 16 goals last year in 74 games. He hit the rookie wall and scored just two goals from January 11th to the end of the season. Hopefully he progresses as a player, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to chip in ten more.

Zajac played in only 15 games last year, if he scores a conservative 15 goals, that is half of Parise being replaced with him alone. Similar for JJ who was banged up last year. Yayo was extremely unlucky last year getting robbed in limited action. I think he could score 10 on a healthy campaign. Not too mention, a full season of Zidlicky, the defensemen the Devils have been missing since losing Rafi. Progression of Larsson and others will help along with icing an adequate fourth line.

We will be fine.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:15 AM

The Devils weren't fine last year and right now, they have zero depth. That was their problem through the first half of last year also. I mean, granted, Lou's hands are probably tied to some degree, I doubt he can go off spending a bunch of money only to have the NHL take over the team in 2 weeks.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:15 AM

Why do people keep bringing up the start of last year? The Devils roster at the start of last year was barely playoff worthy, that's a low bar to clear. We're not as good as the team that actually did damage in the playoffs.

Besides, Zajac was hurt. At least you knew he was 'eventually' coming back.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

The Devils weren't fine last year and right now, they have zero depth. That was their problem through the first half of last year also. I mean, granted, Lou's hands are probably tied to some degree, I doubt he can go off spending a bunch of money only to have the NHL take over the team in 2 weeks.

Sure they were. Lots of the struggle early last year has to do with the goaltending. Regardless of what happens in front of Marty and Moose, if they aren't up to snuff obviously the team is going to struggle.

To be fair, they have zero offensive depth. On the defensive side, they have more depth now than they have ever had. I do have nightmare's of Kovalchuk being out extended periods of time, however. No Lou Sleeve to save the day either.

Why do people keep bringing up the start of last year? The Devils roster at the start of last year was barely playoff worthy, that's a low bar to clear. We're not as good as the team that actually did damage in the playoffs.

Besides, Zajac was hurt. At least you knew he was 'eventually' coming back.

That's the point. Things change as the season progresses. What we start with is very unlikely to be what we finish with. And our starting point going forward is better than our starting point of last year.

Edited by Devils Pride 26, 27 July 2012 - 11:27 AM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:42 AM

Sure they were. Lots of the struggle early last year has to do with the goaltending. Regardless of what happens in front of Marty and Moose, if they aren't up to snuff obviously the team is going to struggle.


Meh. First half of last year:

ES Fenwick: 49.6%
ES Fenwick tied: 51.8%

They were atrocious with a lead in the first half of the year, posting a Fenwick of around 40% or so when ahead.

To be fair, they have zero offensive depth. On the defensive side, they have more depth now than they have ever had. I do have nightmare's of Kovalchuk being out extended periods of time, however. No Lou Sleeve to save the day either.


Yeah, I am at least not worried about the defense. There's still Bryce Salvador though. And a 36 year old Marek Zidlicky.

That's the point. Things change as the season progresses. What we start with is very unlikely to be what we finish with. And our starting point going forward is better than our starting point of last year.


It's not very much further ahead - about the only things it's got going for it is DeBoer's had a year to get everyone up to snuff on the system. Somehow Lou has continued on with a very old team, even when part of the issue in 2010-11 was how old the team was.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:53 AM

It's not very much further ahead - about the only things it's got going for it is DeBoer's had a year to get everyone up to snuff on the system. Somehow Lou has continued on with a very old team, even when part of the issue in 2010-11 was how old the team was.


When you think about it though, what changes could Lou really have made other than going after two younger goalies? Elias and Sykora are up there, same with the defensemen you mentioned. Henrique and JJ are two young pieces though. Same with Larsson and Fayne. Hopefully Tedenby can stick and not play himself off the team this year.

Obviously, he could have skipped out on signing Sal, that move will baffle me for a long time.

Edited by Devils Pride 26, 27 July 2012 - 11:54 AM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

When you think about it though, what changes could Lou really have made other than going after two younger goalies? Elias and Sykora are up there, same with the defensemen you mentioned. Henrique and JJ are two young pieces though. Same with Larsson and Fayne. Hopefully Tedenby can stick and not play himself off the team this year.

Obviously, he could have skipped out on signing Sal, that move will baffle me for a long time.


I mean, there you go. Don't sign Salvador, don't sign Hedberg, and avoid signing Sykora. Instead of signing Sykora, how about taking a chance on Bobby Butler, who just got bought out? He'd be some nice forward depth for a team that has none.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:03 PM

I mean, there you go. Don't sign Salvador, don't sign Hedberg, and avoid signing Sykora. Instead of signing Sykora, how about taking a chance on Bobby Butler, who just got bought out? He'd be some nice forward depth for a team that has none.

Good Poni replacement right there, and cheap.




Edited by Zubie#8, 27 July 2012 - 12:04 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:08 PM

I mean, there you go. Don't sign Salvador, don't sign Hedberg, and avoid signing Sykora. Instead of signing Sykora, how about taking a chance on Bobby Butler, who just got bought out? He'd be some nice forward depth for a team that has none.

I feel Lou likes Sykora because he can 'trust' him to score around 15 goals. Signing Sykora is probably better than signing nothing. Butler would be a move fine by me. Moose is better than any back up option that was on the market and is apparently well liked by the team.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

I feel Lou likes Sykora because he can 'trust' him to score around 15 goals. Signing Sykora is probably better than signing nothing. Butler would be a move fine by me. Moose is better than any back up option that was on the market and is apparently well liked by the team.


And he is wrong, and he is constantly wrong about these issues. Constantly. How many players do I have to list brought in by New Jersey because they were sure things only to find out they weren't? It's Lou's one big hangup, he continues to insist that age is a number when it is so much more than that. Larionov, Mogilny and Malakhov redux, Rolston redux, Holik redux, Arnott redux - about the only one he's gotten right was Sykora, but he's ready to blow that one too.

Hedberg is, by his last two years' stats, the best backup available. It's just really hard for me to have faith that this guy who has always been a below-average goalie has suddenly figured it out at 40.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:22 PM

And he is wrong, and he is constantly wrong about these issues. Constantly. How many players do I have to list brought in by New Jersey because they were sure things only to find out they weren't? It's Lou's one big hangup, he continues to insist that age is a number when it is so much more than that. Larionov, Mogilny and Malakhov redux, Rolston redux, Holik redux, Arnott redux - about the only one he's gotten right was Sykora, but he's ready to blow that one too.

Hedberg is, by his last two years' stats, the best backup available. It's just really hard for me to have faith that this guy who has always been a below-average goalie has suddenly figured it out at 40.

Yeah, in agreement on most of this stuff.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:27 PM

Good Poni replacement right there, and cheap.





Don't know much about him, but it might be worth taking a flyer on him to see if he can replace Poni. Lou did a good job getting Carter and Bernier off of the scrap heap last year, I can see him picking this guy up to improve our forward depth, which is greatly needed.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

Don't know much about him, but it might be worth taking a flyer on him to see if he can replace Poni. Lou did a good job getting Carter and Bernier off of the scrap heap last year, I can see him picking this guy up to improve our forward depth, which is greatly needed.

Looks like we were interested in him a few years ago.

The Ottawa Senators are close to signing American college star Bobby Butler, Hockey Night in Canada 's Elliotte Friedman reported Sunday.

Butler, 22, plays in the NCAA for New Hampshire, and led all college players in scoring during the regular season with 27 goals.

He added two more when New Hampshire beat Cornell 6-2 on Friday in the first round of the NCAA men's hockey championship, but his team was eliminated a day later by Rochester Institute of Technology.

Ottawa apparently beat out strong bids from New Jersey, Pittsburgh, and Vancouver for Butler's services.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sp....#ixzz0jWhFoq3R


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:36 PM

And he is wrong, and he is constantly wrong about these issues. Constantly. How many players do I have to list brought in by New Jersey because they were sure things only to find out they weren't? It's Lou's one big hangup, he continues to insist that age is a number when it is so much more than that. Larionov, Mogilny and Malakhov redux, Rolston redux, Holik redux, Arnott redux - about the only one he's gotten right was Sykora, but he's ready to blow that one too.

Hedberg is, by his last two years' stats, the best backup available. It's just really hard for me to have faith that this guy who has always been a below-average goalie has suddenly figured it out at 40.


Rolston had been solid before coming to the Devils, and wasn't showing any signs of becoming the trainwreck he ultimately became as a Devil. Hard to say how much that high-ankle sprain screwed him up, but I could understand the move at the time, even though the contract was risky with its length, given Rolston's age.

But yeah, Lou has gone to the ex-Devil well a lot, with little payoff.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

Doesn't bother me really. I think he signed with the closest team because he wasn't motivated enough to pack up his stuff and move.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:20 PM

Doesn't bother me really. I think he signed with the closest team because he wasn't motivated enough to pack up his stuff and move.

Raleigh and DC are nowhere close :rolleyes:

But I agree it shouldnt bother anyone, he chose Carolina and thats that.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:23 PM

Rolston had been solid before coming to the Devils, and wasn't showing any signs of becoming the trainwreck he ultimately became as a Devil. Hard to say how much that high-ankle sprain screwed him up, but I could understand the move at the time, even though the contract was risky with its length, given Rolston's age.


That's the point. That's exactly the point I am making. There are no sure things, ever, so that's one. Number 2 is, the older the player we're talking about, the less sure you are. That's why things like Holik and Arnott aren't bad, all things considered - they were here for a year. There's not much risk there. But with 4 years, that contract is basically untradeable if Rolston disappoints at all.

Rolston played his best as a Devil during his last days with the team - that was when he was given good linemates.

But yeah, Lou has gone to the ex-Devil well a lot, with little payoff.


It's not just ex-Devil - he's gone to the old-player well a lot. And he hasn't had all that much success doing it.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

Certain defensemen and goaltenders age well which is why Salvador, Zidlicky, and Hedberg do not scare me. Old forwards scare the hell out of me which is why I hated the Rolston contract.
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