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[Triumph]

Thanks for the heads up fiesty, I watched most of the game. Thoughts on Severson -

- he gets a ton of ice time. He had 3 shifts in the 3rd where he got caught out on the ice and they still threw him back out there pretty quickly. He was on the top PP and top PK also.

- liked his shot, he got it off at least once, got an assist for doing so.

- his teammates trusted him to move the puck, he seemed to be in control of the breakout more often than anyone else, but...

- Larsson may have spoiled me on breakout passes but too often Severson seemed to be passing to an area instead of a teammate

- Severson did get caught out of position a few times, recovered nicely, but he got beat wide on a rush and got beat by passing plays a couple times. He wasn't a dominant presence out there.

It's real hard to evaluate d men from the TV and in one game, but I still liked what I saw overall.

edit: ah, didn't see you posted first fiesty, can't disagree with much there.

Edited by Triumph, 12 December 2012 - 11:52 PM.

[thefiestygoat]

Thursday 12/13
OHL
Kitchener defeated Windsor 4-1
Ben Thomson LW: +1, 5 PIM (Fighting)* 1st Star
Ben Johnson LW: Assist, +1* 3rd Star

NCAA
Wisconsin defeated Alabama-Huntsville 5-0
Joe Faust D: +1, 2 Shots

WJC Division 1
Belarus defeated France 9-3
Artur Gavrus C: 3 Goals, Assist (PP), +3, 10 Shots, 16/23 Faceoffs

Edited by thefiestygoat, 13 December 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[Devils731]

Must have been a heck of a fight to get the games first star for it.

[thefiestygoat]

Must have been a heck of a fight to get the games first star for it.

Seriously, or he played a hell of a defensive game. I refreshed the page multiple times since I thought it had to have been an error but his name kept coming up there.

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

This level of hockey would be that of Junior A, maybe even Junior B. This tournament means absolutely nothing other than national pride.

Playing for the chance to move up a division into the top tier and play in the WJC against the best juniors in the world is not overly prestigious but it’s hardly meaningless.

I don’t know if this is the same for other countries in the lower leagues but over here the success you have in tournaments such as this is linked to the funding you receive the next year going forward, getting relegated or promoted can mean the difference between a great programme one year and nothing the next.

Although if you mean that Gavrus excelling in the tournament and putting up a number of points should not be read into that much because the level of competition is weak and he should be one of the best players on the ice given his level of experience in other leagues, then yes I totally agree.

Edited by Chimaira_Devil_#9, 14 December 2012 - 06:08 AM.

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

Playing for the chance to move up a division into the top tier and play in the WJC against the best juniors in the world is not overly prestigious but it’s hardly meaningless.

I don’t know if this is the same for other countries in the lower leagues but over here the success you have in tournaments such as this is linked to the funding you receive the next year going forward, getting relegated or promoted can mean the difference between a great programme one year and nothing the next.

Although if you mean that Gavrus excelling in the tournament and putting up a number of points should not be read into that much because the level of competition is weak and he should be one of the best players on the ice given his level of experience in other leagues, then yes I totally agree.

Sorry, that is exactly what I meant. His stats in this tournament run in line with Sergei Kostitsyn at the same age. It would be nice for him to carry Belarus to the WJC next year where he can represent them.

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

Sorry, that is exactly what I meant. His stats in this tournament run in line with Sergei Kostitsyn at the same age. It would be nice for him to carry Belarus to the WJC next year where he can represent them.

Yeah that is more than a fair point.

The tournament is so tight this year between Norway, Denmark and Belarus for the promotion spot.

GB is looking unlikely to win promtion back to Group A after getting relegated last year.

[thefiestygoat]

Friday 12/14
QMJHL
Blainville-Boisbriand lost to Val-d'Or 5-3
Stefan Matteau LW: DNP (US Camp)

OHL
Sarnia defeated Guelph 4-2
Reid Boucher LW: Goal (PP), Assist, +2, 2 PIM (Goalie Interference)

Kitchener lost to Erie 6-2
Ben Thomson LW: E, 4 PIM (High Sticking, Roughing)

WHL
Swift Current lost to Saskatoon 4-3
Reece Scarlett D: Goal, E
Graham Black C: -1

Kelowna defeated Medicine Hat 5-2
Damon Severson D: Goal (PP), 2 Assists (1 PP), +3* 1st Star

BCHL
Coquitlam lost to Langley 8-3
Alex Kerfoot C: DNP (Injured)

NCAA
Michigan lost to Western Michigan 4-1
Jon Merrill D: DNP (Cracked Vertebrae)

Wisconsin defeated Alabama-Huntsville 4-1
Joe Faust D: +1, 2 Shots

Miami tied Ohio State 1-1
Blake Coleman C: E, 2 Shots, 2 PIM (Slashing), 8/15 Faceoffs
Curtis Gedig D: E, 2 Shots

North Dakota defeated Michigan Tech 6-1
Derek Rodwell RW: Goal, +1, 2 Shots, 1/2 Faceoffs
Blake Pietila LW: Goal, E, 4 Shots, 12/17 Faceoffs

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

Artur Gavrus had a 1 goal 1 assist 10 shots in his final game. Belarus unfortunately does nto get through, Denmark had the better record due to a slightly fluke win over Belarus in the round robin series.

Gavrus - 5 games 5 goals 5 assists, 10 points, +7, 44 shots

[thefiestygoat]

Artur Gavrus had a 1 goal 1 assist 10 shots in his final game. Belarus unfortunately does nto get through, Denmark had the better record due to a slightly fluke win over Belarus in the round robin series.

Gavrus - 5 games 5 goals 5 assists, 10 points, +7, 44 shots

That's a shame, he was one of the top scorers in the tournement.

[Triumph]

I watched some of Miami-OSU - Gedig was noticeable, Coleman really didn't make much of an impact on the game.

Watching these games makes me more impressed with how difficult scouting is - I recognize that scouts usually go to watch certain players, but how do you figure out if a player is good in even a few games?

[DevilMinder]

Looks like Corrente is done for the season

@Ledger_NJDevils
Devils' Matt Corrente out for season after shoulder surgery http://nj-ne.ws/Y5Ccvs

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

I watched some of Miami-OSU - Gedig was noticeable, Coleman really didn't make much of an impact on the game.

Watching these games makes me more impressed with how difficult scouting is - I recognize that scouts usually go to watch certain players, but how do you figure out if a player is good in even a few games?

3 games is usually the most you really want to see a player. Skillset can be picked up in a shift or two. Sure there are situational skills you may catch a few times in the 3 games. The rest of the time I am looking at hockey sense and how he plays the game, what he does in certain situations, what roles the coach is giving him and so on. If the kid can play, he can play. I gave up looking at skillsets and saying he will be good.

Part of my frustration working with other amateur type scouts is that they waste so much time analysing the skills and results. Discussions when making the final rankings was the same banter and BS. "Grigorenko is better offensively thean these guys." "I think Reinhart projects to a 30 point dmen." blah blah blah

Edited by Jas0nMacIsaac, 15 December 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[thefiestygoat]

Jas0nMacIsaac, if you don't mind me asking I have a few random questions. Where do scouts prefer to sit at games? Or is it really different scout to scout? Also, would you say most scouts jot down notes on paper or is there a decent mix of them that bring laptops into games? Thanks!

[Triumph]

Jason: Yeah that makes sense, although I'd want more than 3 games. I also think ranking prospects in a big group is a fool's errand. I know the Devils rank prospects qualitatively a la old school baseball scouting (dunno if they use the same 20-80 scale, wouldn't surprise me if they did), but without that, you can just forget it.

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

Jas0nMacIsaac, if you don't mind me asking I have a few random questions. Where do scouts prefer to sit at games? Or is it really different scout to scout? Also, would you say most scouts jot down notes on paper or is there a decent mix of them that bring laptops into games? Thanks!

I used paper but many have both laptop and paper. I would rather sit in the pressbox and most scouts will go there. You see the whole game and aren't as attached to the puck.

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

Jason: Yeah that makes sense, although I'd want more than 3 games. I also think ranking prospects in a big group is a fool's errand. I know the Devils rank prospects qualitatively a la old school baseball scouting (dunno if they use the same 20-80 scale, wouldn't surprise me if they did), but without that, you can just forget it.

I ranked it the way they wanted it to be ranked...ala stupid top 20 lists. I prefer tier system myself. I never tried the 20-80 scale last year but it would be easy to do...I essentially did that in my head as is.

[Marshall]

Who did/do you scout for?

[Jas0nMacIsaac]

Who did/do you scout for?

Future Considerations.

[Marshall]

Future Considerations.

Do scouts always wear black when they go to games?