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Poll: Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!) (130 member(s) have cast votes)

When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.77%

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#761 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

It looks like my December 15th prediction may be dead on. There is still a lot of work, the owners will certainly negoatiate off this offer.

Edited by Jas0nMacIsaac, 21 November 2012 - 02:16 PM.

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#762 Zubie#8

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

NHL wont consider anything with guaranteed money, PA just asked for a form of gauranteed money with the cap to never decrease after year 2. They dont want their share to drop after year two, if the economy crashes or HRR decreases every year the NHL takes the full burden. This wont sit well with the league. But hopefully the REAL negotiations start now.

Edited by Zubie#8, 21 November 2012 - 02:36 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:12 PM

@DarrenDreger: Players won't be happy with how the league is responding to proposal. No meaningful give-backs according to PA source."Disappointing day."

I am sick of these PR stunts. First the NHL with its 50-50 offer a month ago and now this offer. Players were hyping it up and info was being leaked to the media before the NHL commented on it. I am done with this, at least my wallet is getting heavier with every game lost.

Edited by Zubie#8, 21 November 2012 - 03:20 PM.

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#764 NJDevs4978

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:29 PM

What else is new? Welcome to Gary and Don's world.
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#765 MadDog2020

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

Oh no progress? What else is new. Time for mediation, enough of this garbage.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

this is absolute bullsh!t fvck the owners and Bettman! there's no chance that we have hockey this year... impossible.
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#767 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

Wow, this may have just cancelled the season. NHL shutdown every area of NHLPA proposal. Unless they have a very good read on the NHLPA, they may have miscalculated this.
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#768 SMantzas

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

Mediation won't do sh!t
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

The players really need to get off delinkage of any form and accept a real 50-50 before year 4, and the league needs to get off contract limits already. Otherwise just cancel the season tomorrow.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 21 November 2012 - 03:36 PM.

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-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

But they've done that. I am as into hockey and the Devils as anyone, but they've made me not care for the forseeable future...even if they announced a settlement tomorrow, I'm not going to be in "Thank God, now let's hit the ice!" mode. My hard feelings will dissipate over time, but it's going to take me a while to get past this one...yes, many will forgive and forget immediately, but I've got to think I'm not the only one who's had enough of this, just because.


You aren't the only one. I've been so uninterested and so disgusted with the players and owners that I really don't want to support either of them and I still may cancel my season tickets

The players are greedy and the owners are greedy. Who the hell would want to support either of them or try to defend either? They are both wrong and have made the NHL look like a laughing stock yet again.

Edited by Satans Hockey, 21 November 2012 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

But they've done that. I am as into hockey and the Devils as anyone, but they've made me not care for the forseeable future...even if they announced a settlement tomorrow, I'm not going to be in "Thank God, now let's hit the ice!" mode. My hard feelings will dissipate over time, but it's going to take me a while to get past this one...yes, many will forgive and forget immediately, but I've got to think I'm not the only one who's had enough of this, just because.

. By the time your hard feelings dissipate, there will be another lockout. That's the NHL Way.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

We are still in the 2 week period where the sides won't meet. :lol: take all they say to the media with a large grain of salt
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#773 NJDevs4978

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

. By the time your hard feelings dissipate, there will be another lockout. That's the NHL Way.


Seriously. The NHL is the best sport on the ice, and more inept and corrupt than the US government off the ice.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 21 November 2012 - 03:54 PM.

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-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

#774 Triumph

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

If there's not another meeting by this time next week, we'll know what's up. Obviously everyone's rejecting offers like this, but soon they will get down to brass tacks.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:00 PM

@ChrisBottaNHL: Bettman: "We're still far apart. But hopefully there's some momentum so we can bring this to a conclusion." Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS:
Gary Bettman:"their was some movement in our direction and it was appreciated." Well, that sounds good at least.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:01 PM


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League and union expected to talk again on Friday. PA said it would get back to NHL end of week.

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#777 SterioDesign

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

im serious here... just looking at what happened to Dimebag... i can't believe that it couldnt happen to Bettman. Again... im absolutely serious. I'm SURE there's crazy enough fans out there with mental problems that could do it. I'd be really really stressed if i was him
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

im serious here... just looking at what happened to Dimebag... i can't believe that it couldnt happen to Bettman. Again... im absolutely serious. I'm SURE there's crazy enough fans out there with mental problems that could do it. I'd be really really stressed if i was him

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
The 2 sides got closer today... Deal won't get done unless NHL is willing to step down on some contracting rights demands. Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Make Whole $$$ asked for by players will need to go down as well.... But today was not a waste no matter what anybody says Sounds like the NHL didn't react as badly as everyone thought. Those who said today was a step in the right direction look to be right. Tough not to get caught up in the media posturing sometimes though.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

And no sooner does Sterio post that, that we have THIS: Hoo boy. RT @JoshYohe_Trib: Angry fan jumps Bettman press conference. Crazy stuff.




Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Bettman now in a discussion with a fan...cameras rolling. Tells fan the union hasn't been willing to negotiate.


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