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Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!)

Started by Dead, Aug 31 2012 03:58 PM

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Poll: Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!) (130 member(s) have cast votes)

When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.77%

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#981 halfsharkalligatorhalfman

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

Would you take an offer seriously if just three hours ago your opposite negotiator said mediators were needed again?


If we were at an impasse over a single subject like contract length with no solution in sight...then sure. Why wouldn't you? Why is it "stalling tactics" whatever that means?
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:14 PM

Jesus, can't they just agree on 7 years?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

And now Fehr coming back again to 'clarify' something lmao...Twitterverse including Laviole are saying 'not good news'.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:19 PM

lol the NHL just 'took everything off the table'. Fehr overplayed his bad hand, here comes decertification.
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

Still believe this is the final time we will see posturing

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

Yeah well if they're following the NBA script decertificaiton talk is next, then a deal but with the egos on the NHL side I wouldn't be surprised if they dared the NHLPA to follow through on decertification and nuked the season if not the league.
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

Well that was something...
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

McKenzie just called this rejection "catastrophic".

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

Fehr was spinning, something he said in the press conference must have pissed off the owners so they "took everything off the table". At least until tomorrow.

Regardless this certainly looks like the home stretch.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

Fehr was spinning, something he said in the press conference must have pissed off the owners so they "took everything off the table". At least until tomorrow.

Regardless this certainly looks like the home stretch.

Agreed. People need to jump off the ledge. You dont agree on so many issues, then suddenly "pull everything off the table". We'll see a deal soon folks

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:29 PM

Well that was something...


Par for the course for this joke of a league and PA. If this season gets canceled, I hope they stay out for long enough to ruin Bettman, Fehr and these crybaby players.
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

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-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

Agreed. People need to jump off the ledge. You dont agree on so many issues, then suddenly "pull everything off the table". We'll see a deal soon folks


Who said there was an agreement? The PA did, the league didn't. Obviously there was something in the PA's offer that caused a swift rejection, and Fehr knew it so he ran up to the press conference before that could happen to try to make a PR grab. This is just total amateur hour.

I can't wait for the league to say THIS offer was de-linked and that will never be accepted, I don't think that message has gotten through to Don yet. Maybe another ten rejections will get it through.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 06 December 2012 - 07:37 PM.

"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

I can't make sense of what Bettman's talking about but he seems angry.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

Who said there was an agreement? The PA did, the league didn't. Obviously there was something in the PA's offer that caused a swift rejection, and Fehr knew it so he ran up to the press conference before that could happen to try to make a PR grab. This is just total amateur hour.

I can't wait for the league to say THIS offer was de-linked and that will never be accepted, I don't think that message has gotten through to Don yet. Maybe another ten rejections will get it through.

Lets see what Uncle Gary has to say

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

lol basically accusing the PA of shifting the goalposts...not surprising at all. Fehr doesn't want a deal, he just wants to unite the players in disdain for Bettman so he can start Global Thermonuclear War.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 06 December 2012 - 07:58 PM.

"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

Haha, now the rhetoric comes out to play! Suicide bombers, the Hill we die on. This is just precious.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

"Make whole concept completely off the table" - Bettman

Good job boys now you lost 800 million so far.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

Apparently the NHL came up with an offer, where they offered to come down off various issues, if the NHLPA agreed to specific concessions.

The NHLPA then "cherry-picked" the elements the NHL came down off of, said the NHL wasn't pushing for them anymore and claimed in the media that they were close to a deal.

Regardless they do actually seem close to a deal to me. Hard to tell cause Bettman is so angry at Fehr's press conference he's not doing a great job articulating the differences.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

They're not close now that make whole and other things are 'off the table'. Whether you want to believe it or not is one thing, the league clearly stated their offer was non-negotitable, Fehr called the league on it because their October offer was 'non-negotiable' too and the league acted like a five-year old taking their ball and going home. And Fehr acted like a weasel with that joke of a double press conference.

Haha, now the rhetoric comes out to play! Suicide bombers, the Hill we die on. This is just precious.


The league needs to explain why five years is a 'hill we die on'. Give numbers over how much money insurance on 5% of contracts cost you, maybe I'll listen.
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

Whoa, Fehr and players butting in on bettmans Presser.
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