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[ghdi]

CBS just called Colorado for Obama.

290 total acc to them (also gave him NV).

This is not even going to be that close electorally if Obama gets FL.

Edited by ghdi, 07 November 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[Devils Dose]

I was totally wrong calling a Romney landslide. Almost over.

I never thought that you seriously believed this; that it was just your wish. Was I wrong?

Lost a little faith in the country tonight. People will vote for whoever gives them the most stuff.

To some extent, this is true. Ohio was a crucial state, and the auto bailout sounds like it was the tipping issue there. But this is the traditional downfall of democracy: the populace elects candidates who tell them what they want to hear rather than tell them what they are going to have to do.

Ohio gap is currently ~30k, or 0.7% of the vote. if it shrinks down to 0.5% it triggers a recount... networks may have jumped the gun a little bit.

I believe that they did this because the overwhelming majority of precincts left to report were in Democrat areas rather than Republican ones.

[squishyx]

I believe that they did this because the overwhelming majority of precincts left to report were in Democrat areas rather than Republican ones.

True enough, that was foxnews and Nate Silvers justifications as well.

And speaking of Silver, this is a great night for him. After getting eviscerated the last few days by popular pundits when his prediction model showed Obama pulling away he is clearly vindicated. If VA goes to Obama he will have called 97 out of 98 states correctly, the two states that were literal coin tosses, getting DC twice, and nebraska's 2nd district in 2008. Outstanding work done by him. I hope this is a real start to the change in the way we approach elections and focus less on what some idiot talking head babbles on about and more about facts and math,

[ghdi]

Obama just passed Mitt in the popular vote.

[ghdi]

Marijuana legalization passes in Washington, Colorado. Marriage equality in Maryland, Maine, AND Minnesota. Joe Walsh is out. Mourdock and Akin lose. Bachmann and West look like they're going to win, but its close and recounts likely. WEST loses!

Almost a perfect night.

And Obama just took VA. Over 300 electoral votes pretty much assured WITHOUT FL.

Only changes from 08 map look to be IN and NC, with FL left to decide.

And Romney has conceded. Called Obama. Speech shortly.

edit:

Classy speech by Mitt.

The GOP got spanked tonight.

Edited by ghdi, 07 November 2012 - 02:53 AM.

[GA Devil]

All in all, a good night.

[devilsfan26]

Four more wars! Four more wars!

The only progress made today was via ballot questions.

[NJDevs4978]

Lost a little faith in the country tonight. People will vote for whoever gives them the most stuff.

It's this kind of simplistic rhetoric that makes me ignore politics all but one day a year. As if people couldn't have more than one reason for voting or the rich weren't voting for Romney because of what he'd give 'them'.

Maybe they're staunch Dems who believe in the platform and vote party line more than candidate. Maybe they don't like Romney because he's a chameleon who will say and do anything to get elected. Or perhaps they know how bad the economy has been under the Repubs the last 30 years and voted on that basis.

Saying someone wants Obama to win because they're freeloaders is just repeating the inane Rush/Hannity etc talking point and not giving other people any credit for thinking at all. As if the same nation didn't elect Bush for two terms. So we weren't freeloaders then but we are now? What bs. As if middle class families aren't entitled to make the best choice for them at the ballot box but the rich are.

[Devils Pride 26]

Bush was a rino in a lot of ways. But for Obama to get re-elected after doing nothing just about nothing positive over four years? Terrible. America fell for it again. He's a talker. We need a doer.

[ghdi]

Bush was a rino in a lot of ways. But for Obama to get re-elected after doing nothing just about nothing positive over four years? Terrible. America fell for it again. He's a talker. We need a doer.

This is ridiculous and goes right to what 4978 said. Typical bloviated right wing BS from the same person who suggested that fallacy of a smear piece "documentary" earlier in the campaign. Jerrydevil and his political viewpoint admittedly derived from a radio personality. Do any of you think for yourselves or just what Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. say?

Your party got smacked in the mouth AGAIN nationally and is going to continue to get smacked nationally. You guys haven't won with a mandate in a presidential election in 24 years. The GOP and your beloved "conservatism" is dying because you guys are constantly buying into the politics of fear and the politics of the past. Bush won in 04 based on fear. Romney's entire campaign was based on fear. This country is turning around, largely because of Obama's decisions and not in spite of. It's absolutely not fast enough, but considering what Bush and the GOP-led Congress did from 1994 to 2006 (with help from Clinton and the backbone-less Democrats in Congress at the time), there's quite a bit of a mess to clean up and it IS getting better. The stock market, the auto industry, and unemployment (look at the #s behind the percentages) are all on an up-tick since Bush's 2nd term. That sort of sh!t you just spewed is exactly why so many people are so disgusted with politics and the Republican party in general. The party of Lincoln, my ass. Its the party of Hannity, Coulter, and Rush now, that proudly brings us backwards lunatics like Todd Akin, Allen West, and morons like Bachmann into national prominence. Romney's a smart guy and I wasn't afraid of him being elected other than his potential supreme court appointments, but the campaign he ran was terrible.

Mitch McConnell admitted that before Obama was even inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. Obama had virtually no help from the other side, yet they attack him for not crossing the aisle enough? Pfft. The majority of this country didn't buy that. The entire Republican party got smacked down and the GOP will continually get smacked down until they get out of the 1950s and stop trying to scare people into voting for them.

[DevsMan84]

This is ridiculous and goes right to what 4978 said. Typical bloviated right wing BS from the same person who suggested that fallacy of a smear piece "documentary" earlier in the campaign. Jerrydevil and his political viewpoint admittedly derived from a radio personality. Do any of you think for yourselves or just what Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. say?

Your party got smacked in the mouth AGAIN nationally and is going to continue to get smacked nationally. You guys haven't won with a mandate in a presidential election in 24 years. The GOP and your beloved "conservatism" is dying because you guys are constantly buying into the politics of fear and the politics of the past. Bush won in 04 based on fear. Romney's entire campaign was based on fear. This country is turning around, largely because of Obama's decisions and not in spite of. It's absolutely not fast enough, but considering what Bush and the GOP-led Congress did from 1994 to 2006 (with help from Clinton and the backbone-less Democrats in Congress at the time), there's quite a bit of a mess to clean up and it IS getting better. The stock market, the auto industry, and unemployment (look at the #s behind the percentages) are all on an up-tick since Bush's 2nd term. That sort of sh!t you just spewed is exactly why so many people are so disgusted with politics and the Republican party in general. The party of Lincoln, my ass. Its the party of Hannity, Coulter, and Rush now, that proudly brings us backwards lunatics like Todd Akin, Allen West, and morons like Bachmann into national prominence. Romney's a smart guy and I wasn't afraid of him being elected other than his potential supreme court appointments, but the campaign he ran was terrible.

Mitch McConnell admitted that before Obama was even inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. Obama had virtually no help from the other side, yet they attack him for not crossing the aisle enough? Pfft. The majority of this country didn't buy that. The entire Republican party got smacked down and the GOP will continually get smacked down until they get out of the 1950s and stop trying to scare people into voting for them.

You first paragraph blasts republicans for just arguing along right-wing talking points from radio personalities and pundits.

And then you go into your second long-winded paragraph doing just that but with left-wing talking points from liberal personalities and pundits.

[95Crash]

This is ridiculous and goes right to what 4978 said. Typical bloviated right wing BS from the same person who suggested that fallacy of a smear piece "documentary" earlier in the campaign. Jerrydevil and his political viewpoint admittedly derived from a radio personality. Do any of you think for yourselves or just what Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. say?

Your party got smacked in the mouth AGAIN nationally and is going to continue to get smacked nationally. You guys haven't won with a mandate in a presidential election in 24 years. The GOP and your beloved "conservatism" is dying because you guys are constantly buying into the politics of fear and the politics of the past. Bush won in 04 based on fear. Romney's entire campaign was based on fear. This country is turning around, largely because of Obama's decisions and not in spite of. It's absolutely not fast enough, but considering what Bush and the GOP-led Congress did from 1994 to 2006 (with help from Clinton and the backbone-less Democrats in Congress at the time), there's quite a bit of a mess to clean up and it IS getting better. The stock market, the auto industry, and unemployment (look at the #s behind the percentages) are all on an up-tick since Bush's 2nd term. That sort of sh!t you just spewed is exactly why so many people are so disgusted with politics and the Republican party in general. The party of Lincoln, my ass. Its the party of Hannity, Coulter, and Rush now, that proudly brings us backwards lunatics like Todd Akin, Allen West, and morons like Bachmann into national prominence. Romney's a smart guy and I wasn't afraid of him being elected other than his potential supreme court appointments, but the campaign he ran was terrible.

Mitch McConnell admitted that before Obama was even inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. Obama had virtually no help from the other side, yet they attack him for not crossing the aisle enough? Pfft. The majority of this country didn't buy that. The entire Republican party got smacked down and the GOP will continually get smacked down until they get out of the 1950s and stop trying to scare people into voting for them.

What do you think was terrible about Romney's campaign?

[Devils Pride 26]

This is ridiculous and goes right to what 4978 said. Typical bloviated right wing BS from the same person who suggested that fallacy of a smear piece "documentary" earlier in the campaign. Jerrydevil and his political viewpoint admittedly derived from a radio personality. Do any of you think for yourselves or just what Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. say?

Your party got smacked in the mouth AGAIN nationally and is going to continue to get smacked nationally. You guys haven't won with a mandate in a presidential election in 24 years. The GOP and your beloved "conservatism" is dying because you guys are constantly buying into the politics of fear and the politics of the past. Bush won in 04 based on fear. Romney's entire campaign was based on fear. This country is turning around, largely because of Obama's decisions and not in spite of. It's absolutely not fast enough, but considering what Bush and the GOP-led Congress did from 1994 to 2006 (with help from Clinton and the backbone-less Democrats in Congress at the time), there's quite a bit of a mess to clean up and it IS getting better. The stock market, the auto industry, and unemployment (look at the #s behind the percentages) are all on an up-tick since Bush's 2nd term. That sort of sh!t you just spewed is exactly why so many people are so disgusted with politics and the Republican party in general. The party of Lincoln, my ass. Its the party of Hannity, Coulter, and Rush now, that proudly brings us backwards lunatics like Todd Akin, Allen West, and morons like Bachmann into national prominence. Romney's a smart guy and I wasn't afraid of him being elected other than his potential supreme court appointments, but the campaign he ran was terrible.

Mitch McConnell admitted that before Obama was even inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. Obama had virtually no help from the other side, yet they attack him for not crossing the aisle enough? Pfft. The majority of this country didn't buy that. The entire Republican party got smacked down and the GOP will continually get smacked down until they get out of the 1950s and stop trying to scare people into voting for them.

Lol, typical liberal bias foaming at the mouth. My point was simple that Obama has done nothing to merit a re-election the last four years and you pull out this crap.

[ghdi]

What do you think was terrible about Romney's campaign?

Mostly everything. From the completely negative tone (Obama is totally guilty of this as well), to the choice of Ryan, to NEVER sharing his plan, to the flip-flops, to hollow promises (He'd have no power at all to repeal Obamacare), to his inability to stick to any manner of conviction whatsoever. That's one thing I can respect about someone like Rick Santorum. The man would never get my vote, but at the very least he has never changed his views in an effort to win support. Rick's been Rick since the day he first ran for Senate. He believes what he believes and sticks to that. There were about 14 different versions of Romney. Romney's message was based on where he was and whoever was listening at that particular moment. He provided nothing positive at all and provided nothing to me, who does not fear or dislike Obama or think Obama has been awful. I think Obama could and can be a lot better, but I don't think Romney provided that alternative.

I will say that had the Romney that delivered arguably the best concession speech I've heard in about 20 years been the Romney that the campaign presented (I dont blame Romney alone for the campaign) throughout the entire campaign, he may have fared a lot better in some places.

You first paragraph blasts republicans for just arguing along right-wing talking points from radio personalities and pundits.

And then you go into your second long-winded paragraph doing just that but with left-wing talking points from liberal personalities and pundits.

lol, my second paragraph are my thoughts that yes, I do realize some liberal personalities agree with, but its absolutely true that the Republicans' entire mantra this cycle was "Vote for Us Or Else". Just as Bush ran in 04 and was barely successful running like that and McCain in 08. And Obama's accomplishments are truth.

Lol, typical liberal bias foaming at the mouth. My point was simple that Obama has done nothing to merit a re-election the last four years and you pull out this crap.

LOL Typical I-have-no-argument right wing retort. Your point means nothing and is hollow. He obviously has done something to merit re-election that you can't see because of the right wing blinders you have on. I'm sure Dinesh D'Souza has something new by now to fuel your irrational fear and hatred of Barack Obama. The re-elected Barack Obama that just smashed your side in an election that was handed to the Republicans on a plate. Fail.

Edited by ghdi, 07 November 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[Daniel]

I poo-poohed Nate Silver's prediction. Boy was I wrong.

The only quibble I still have with his type of analysis is that he put a percentage chance on a one time event. I mean, I could put a 99 percent chance that aliens will land on earth tomorrow. If I'm wrong, I could just say that the one percent scenario is what played out.

[Devils Pride 26]

LOL Typical I-have-no-argument right wing retort. Your point means nothing and is hollow. He obviously has done something to merit re-election that you can't see because of the right wing blinders you have on. I'm sure Dinesh D'Souza has something new by now to fuel your irrational fear and hatred of Barack Obama. The re-elected Barack Obama that just smashed your side in an election that was handed to the Republicans on a plate. Fail.

Argument was simple. What has he done to deserve re-election? And then you come out with your hate monger speech towards anything right wing. You are nuts.

My side? I don't have a side. I want what's best for the country. If anything, this is a step in the right direction for the republicans. Maybe they will change their stance on social issues. I couldn't care less about gay marriage as long as it is not shoved down my throat. They want to do their own thing, that's fine.

So you admit that the Obama presidency has been an utter failure thus far, otherwise you wouldn't claim this was handed to republicans on a plate.

[devilsfan26]

Bush was a rino in a lot of ways. But for Obama to get re-elected after doing nothing just about nothing positive over four years? Terrible. America fell for it again. He's a talker. We need a doer.

Just shows what a bad choice Romney was. I really think Ron Paul would have won the election if he were the Republican nominee.

[Daniel]

Just shows what a bad choice Romney was. I really think Ron Paul would have won the election if he were the Republican nominee.

I hope you are kidding.

[Zubie#8]

Yesterday was a big day for Republicans (I consider myself an independent, I support both sides). It is time for them to get in touch with reality. If you looked at the early exit polls the majority said the economy was the biggest issue and that Romney would be better suited to fix the economy. But the people have spoken and showed that the social problems are more personal. The conservatives need to get more sensitive about immigration, abortion, religion, and gay rights. If not they will never regain the Senate or Presidency in a long time.

I wanted Romney to win, but I support the President and I hope he leads this country in the right direction.

Edited by Zubie#8, 07 November 2012 - 12:11 PM.

[Daniel]

Argument was simple. What has he done to deserve re-election? And then you come out with your hate monger speech towards anything right wing. You are nuts.

It's never that simple. Maybe Obama didn't "deserve re-election", but most people, even those that believe that's a true statement, also consider the person they would otherwise be voting for. I didn't think that W deserved re-election in 2004. I voted for him though because I thought John Kerry would be an awful president.